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Nadeu is probably on a plane right now to replace jarvis

Svechnikov passing up an empty netter leading to Jarvis getting hurt in an OT that we shouldn't have been playing. Jarvis may be done for the year I'd be shocked if he didnt break a rib and make his shoulder injury worse..... And make no mistake Jarvy is the player we could least afford to lose, the only bona fide goal scorer we have.

Without Jarvis this team goes from contender to possible first round exit.

We know. They wouldn't.

I heard this discussed in a podcast earlier and i agree the disruption factor doesnt exist in evero’s world totally predictable i donr know what it was when he was a coordinator in Denver but i remembered hearing that ‘he was handed a loaded defense’ And state declined, now that comment didn't go into other factors like injuries etc

Okay. If you want to start with 2023 and assign point value as used in trading draft picks, you really will see a tough look. I counted them up once not doing it again but a 9th, the next year’s 1st overall, the two seconds, DJ too, the 1st and 2nd in 2024 for offense, the 1st in 2025 for offense…. Add in the 2nd in 2022 for WR. For all those Bryce picks and what else we were left with, for 2023 and 2024, our big defensive score was Wallace in the 3rd in 2024. The value assigned to all those resources spent on offense would dwarf the defensive total. Multiples. Then go to FA and cap and the Burns return and freed cap, what happened to that? IOL mostly. Yeah we signed Clowney. Not too sure what else. It was so lopsided, but I guess we weren’t supposed to notice that.

Those goal posts seem to be mooooovin This is what you said I proved that isn’t the case We’ve had 5 top 10 picks the last 6 drafts (christ that’s pathetic btw. We actually had earned a 6th but traded it) 1 QB 1 WR 1 LT 1 DL 1 CB Truthfully even going back a bit our draft history is pretty even

I find it interesting that Canales criticisms are 90% on the defensive in his interviews of the Saints game Dave your offense, led by Young, scored 17 points 17 points against at what was a 3 win team TMac didnt catch a pass until almost end-of the half your staff still hasn't gotten the run game game going Bryce’s numbers still very low He had a bad drop by tmac and one by Tremble but the rest, come on I really hope they get a true qb coach in to get young’s footwork straight and a true OC (not named Idzik) in this off season to let Canales be a HC

Idzik at this point is an afterthought and should be regarded as such going forward. In terms of Canales as playcaller there's just nothing I've seen to suggest that he is or will ever get to the caliber of a Sean McVay or Andy Reid where you say to yourself this guy should always be calling plays. The only coaches he's truly outcoached in top to bottom blowouts are guys like Raheem Morris and Antonio Pierce. Not impressed. There's nothing wrong with having a capable OC and many teams in the league operate this way just fine. We'll see how it all shakes out though.

I covered all that here

Jesus he sucks. Miller hasn’t been good all year. Bad trade.

You’ve already made it quite clear the names/players attached to these picks or contracts don’t matter And we both know I was one of the biggest Cam defenders and always said they did a HORRIBLE job at surrounding him with talent DESPITE the money or picks spent So like I’ve been saying just because we spent X amount or X picks that don’t mean much

So from 20-22 of those 14 picks on defense, how many are still on the team. 2. Two whole picks. 2023 2 defensive picks in the 3rd and 5th rounds. Neither on the team. 2024. 2 and 1 on the PS. 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th, round picks used. 2025. 2,3,4 and 5 spent on defense. The entirety of what we've spent on defense doesn't even equal the one pick we used on Tet in trade value chart for draft pick exchange. You could argue we spent 30 draft picks on defense but if they were all in the seventh round, the value of those picks is next to nothing in terms of contribution. Day 3 picks rarely make NFL squads. They only make the Panthers because our roster is so threadbare as it is. Again, we've spent next to nothing on defense in terms of value picks on defense. If you're going to argue we've spent more on defense than we have on offense you're going to have to use a better argument than this.

This is the second time someone has thrown Matt Kalil in my face and I am just flabbergasted anyone thinks that is some kind of gotcha. That was always a very stupid decision and a panic move fully created by Dave Gettleman's lack of ability to build an OL through the draft despite his entire persona revolving around hog mollies. And while throwing Matt Kalil in my face you wholly omit the fact that Cam Newton had this team competing in the division with Byron Bell on his left and Nate Chandler on his right. Then we added Amini Silatolu for good measure. Is there a specific reason you're wanting to go back 15 years now? Suddenly you don't want to discuss the amount of money and draft capital we have tied up in this offense present day? If you want to take a stroll down memory lane let's talk turkey. From 1998 to 2013 the Panthers never selected a first round WR in any draft. That's none in fifteen years. FIFTEEN YEARS. Then after drafting Kelvin Benjamin we didn't draft another WR in the first round until 2018. We have drafted first round WR's in back to back drafts in 2024 and 2025 including at 8th overall for the first time in franchise history. We left the linebacker room to be a complete empty void in order to continue to build up this offense. If you truly see any parallels with our historic investment in the offense present day to past teams you might as well be Mr. Magoo. This was always primarily a defensive team identity wise for the better part of 2 decades and any Panthers fan worth their salt knows this. Why I'm having to argue this with you is absurd.

The Rats dirty play on Bussi https://x.com/mikesolarte/status/2002204514510581883?s=46

I think the, or A big rub there is Idzik and what do you do with him? Canales will not want to be disloyal I don’t think, and if Canales doesn’t call plays well someone has to and it seems like that would mean new OC. Which is another damned can of worms. That only makes sense to me, or it make way more sense, if we change QBs. You don’t change the system and spend that time in almost certain regression with this barely capable QB. I was never hot on Canales and there are some negatives no doubt but I think at this point you keep stuff intact. I would get him a QB to work with that isn’t some unicorn.

A sugartit my do some good. I bet you all don't know what that is? No, it's not dirty talk.

I added a link to the stat card in my post above.

They most certainly did. If we had put as much time in Sam and we have Bryce, where would we be now?

Just say what you mean. Which is probably people who don’t want Bryce are ruining the team. The board. Your entire football fanning activities. Poor thing.

You have his stats? Would love to see his plus minus. Miller was atrocious in that last 10 min

Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

Last several years have been about building up the O to the detriment of the defense. And on a his version of a good day our QB tops out at about 170 pass yards…..and can’t lead the O over 17 points vs a bad team. big picture, the Saints loss wasn’t a defensive failure.

Every year from 2013-2018 we spent more money on offense than we did on defense Handed out a 5 year 55 million dollar deal (30gtd) for a left tackle As far as draft picks… From 2011-2018 Two 2nd rounders, one 3rd rounder and two 4th rounders on OL Two 1st rounders on WR’s Two 2nd rounders on WR’s A top 10 pick (1st round) on a RB/WR 2011-2018… 3 winning seasons From 2023 (the year we drafted Bryce) to this year… Draft picks spent on offense: 10 Draft picks spent on defense: 10 From 2020 - 2022 Picks spent on offense: 9 Picks spent on defense: 14 special teams: 1 So last 6 drafts that’s 19 picks on offense 24 picks on defense 1 pick on special teams lol tough look

No Jarvis, likely no Martinook. Will be interesting so see who draws in. FYI Millers stat card from last nights game was abysmal. Ghosts stats were outstanding. https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/2002397575513539017?s=46