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No he won’t. Young has no ability to play QB in the NFL well.

The only real difference is Andy will take more chances down field which leads to turnovers. Young is too risk adverse for his own good. Were I him and is about to be out of the league soon I would sling the ball all over the place whether I physically could do it or not. What does he have to lose that he's not already lost? I just don't get it.

Lol, a #1 overall QB backing up another high first rounder? We would be the laughing stock of the NFL. I mean, even more so than now. If we are even thinking of a first round QB next April, Bryce has to be gone. Dalton, not so much, especially if Canales is retained. He already knows the system.

"We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field." No he didn't. Dalton is 1-4 as a starter with Canales. His completion rate is slightly higher than Youngs (66% vs 60%), but his Int % is higher than Youngs ( 7/6 vs 18/9) and his yards per attempt are barely higher at 6.2 than Youngs at 5.9. These are starter only stats. For comparison, Dalton had a 67% completion rate, a 18/9 TD to Int ratio and averaged 7.6 y/a when he was with NO. The Panthers are were QB's come to die.

John Foxx is probably the best coach this team has had since inception. Don and Ron are a close second. That should tell you all you need to know about the franchise.

Its not a coincidence that when dalton came in last year Canales ramped up the pass plays to the point we barely ran the ball. The guy knows he can't open things up with Bryce. Its not rocket science at all.

If that's all you want then we have one already. Now if you stipulate that he has to also complete it to our own players then that could be a problem.

I'm telling you just wait and see. He will be the next Darnold or Mayfield

Sounds good to me

I'm telling you all. Young will be a star NFL QB just not for this pos team/franchise

Thats who I'm referring to. Both will be candidates. Maybe a qb or 2.

Lmaoooo..if you say so.

HYPOTHESIS These are some of the main roles of an nfl head coach. This list is not at all exhaustive. We might differ on terms or what part is the most important but I think we’ll be able to broadly agree on these things. 1. Build out a staff - this is generally the coach’s first task and is a reflection of their coaching philosophy and perceived strengths, desired organizational setup, and Rolodex. When you’re hiring coaches you need to have coaches you can call, essentially. Saban’s greatest strength was always the coaches he could bring in. You also need personal and familial ties, unfortunately. NFL is an old boy network and it never hurts to be someone’s son. Wade Phillips was Sean McVays first DC for a reason 2. Identify and develop players - through FA and the draft. And just not at the top of your roster. You need capable players at every level. This allows you to identify who is worth locking up long term, but it also just provides good team depth. The panthers weakest specials teams have always been during their worst seasons, because players that shouldn’t be starting are now spending their weeks on defense or offense instead of ST etc. and this is a year round job, not just the draft or free agency. The eagles never sleep. 3. Identity - this just isn’t the coach’s personality or what color they paint the weight room but the kind of team they want to be and want to deviate from. This is the through line which permeates through everything else. This is 80% of wha the team is and does. This generally comes top down (Detroit) but it has to be reinforced by the players. In the case of Brady, he was that driving force by himself. 4. Practice - yes we are talking about practice. This is keeping the team sharp, installing new wrinkles, and letting the coaches coach. This is where players get better at an individual level, and the most important place for all your position coaches. 5. Roster Management - this isn’t just cutting players or whatever but managing the PS/IL etc to make sure you have the players on gameday to do what you want to do. Belichick was the master of this; he’d have games where the roster was 25 safeties and tight ends. But it always tied in to what he wanted to do schematically. 6. Gameday management - executing the plan that you worked on during the week. Not just the glamorous stuff of the big play call, or 4th down call but the small poo like in game adjustments, coaching people up, clock management etc. there’s a lot of overlap here with practice 7. Org Chart - frankly who does what. Some coaches are huge control freaks with their fingers in everything, some are more of a CEO /organizational type. There are examples of both extremes and places in the middle having and not having success. My point here is that roles need to be firmly defined. The hallmark of a dysfunctional organization is a poorly defined org chart, believe me. 8. inspire - obviously you’ve got to get a room or the best, highest paid athletes in the world to buy in to what you’re selling. Success breeds success but you’ve also gotta rally the troops when things go wrong. And not just the players but the fans as well. One of the main things of hiring a new coach is feeling like you might have stumbled onto the next Belichick. ANTITHESIS Why yes I am going to talk about Dave Canales now. We are looking at a 2026 where there will need to be significant roster development, a lot of new players, probably a lot of new coaches, and all of this coming off what is probably another gonna be a 3-4 win season. Taking these traits above (and again this isn’t meant to be exhaustive) 1. Is Dave Canales going to hire the defensive coordinator? He didn’t when the was most recently hired and to be frank I doubt he has anyone he could call for the role; plus, no up and comer will come here since tepper fuged around with evero. Additionally, this doesn’t to me look like a team suffering from too much coaching. This is year two now. Is there anyone left Dave hasn’t called and is comfortable with? 2. There are holes all over this roster. I don’t think we’re as bad as 2001 or 2010 but this team has no depth at all, partially because they’ve focused on high priced free agents to fill their development gaps. Canales hasn’t developed players very well, especially not on the offensive side of the ball, doesn’t have any input into the defensive roster, and the panthers offensive line is a ticking time bomb. He’s had two drafts, two training camps, two off seasons etc. 3. What is the panthers identity? I’ll hold off on more specific criticisms. 4. There have been multiple times during the Canales tenure that this team has looked like it played Xbox all week. They did not look prepared at all yesterday. On average Canales is losing games by over 18 points in a league the average margin of defeat is less than a TD. 5. Roster management is tough because the team isn’t good, but I don’t think Canales is helping anything. Managing injuries sure but how are we to the point an early David Moore injury yesterday blows out the whole game plan 6. I think Canales looks outmatched on gameday more often than not. This team still can’t execute at the end of the half or situationally. Every knew yesterday the panthers weren’t going to run out the clock at the end of the first. We couldn’t stop the bleeding at all. Obviously playclock issues etc. part of me suspects he’s trying to too much on the offense and kinda failing at all of it. Unfortunately I don’t think he has the coaches to really delegate anything; the less said about him and Brad idzik’s relationship the better 7. I think we all agree that Dave doesn’t have a ton of power outside the offense, and I think we all suspect the same reasons for this. There are times when this can work but I don’t think this is one of them. Additionally, no matter what satisfying move you want Carolina to do (fire evero, cut Bryce) you can’t say for sure Dave has the authority to do this. 8. I won’t speak for the players but Dave doesn’t really excite me anymore. And I can’t imagine being excited heading into another season of him. SYNTHESIS Dave Canales has done nothing in two years that shows me he deserves a third. He certainly wouldn’t be hired for a HC job coming off these first two. You can say he’s been handcuffed with Bryce and those considerations but 1. He knew what he was coming in to and 2. He certainly hasn’t shown the ability to overcome it. Powerful “happy to be here” vibes from Dave you’re insane if you’re trusting this guy with a high first round qb and implying two more years of employment. to say nothing about the state of the other positions on the team. He doesn’t even have roster control of the defense. Fixing the offensive line has just been buying one, which is not a long term solution. He’s shown no ability to identify and develop players. Whatever he was hired on he hasn’t recreated here, and at least in Tampa bay he wasn’t missed at all. What he’s done doesn’t warrant more time. I’m indifferent to keeping him for the sake of. There’s like three of these jobs in the world every year and the panthers owner has more money than god. Anyway yeah fire Canales

I disagree. The 2024 draft was a once a generation draft, so it's a clear and obvious outlier. It's going to be a typical 3-4 first round QB draft. Mateer, Mendoza, Nussmeir and Moore (if declares) all have hallmarks of a QB1. The only group that needs a QB to help their evaluation is WRs, possibly TEs. I can tell you right now that Tet is legit, XL is a bum, Coker is a WR3/WR4 and Renfro is a bandage. Horn isn't getting the snaps regardless of the QB to evaluate. Moore, well...lol. Swapping QBs isn't going to change my mind on any of that.

He would have to accept a backup role here in that scenario. I cannot see that happening here.

Far as players, recently drafted players are all we have and we aren't trading guys we just signed. That only leaves horn and Brown who are staples.

Honestly I feel like we should keep BY regardless if we draft a QB #1 next year. I'm tired of us throwing out QBs just to see them get good after they leave.

He knew that last season along with the rest of us. I think Dan bought Young time with Young's play at the last half of the season. It was false hope of course but that was the decision they made and had to live with. Now they are at a crossroad with no other option other but to ride it out.

There's no point in keeping any of our current qb's.

Young will become a great QB, just not here. We let them go and be stars for other teams.

He will keep Dan and DC albeit on a super short leash but I think he knows in his heart of hearts Bryce has got to go. I dont think DC is anything special and his personality is not long for this game but you have to give him a chance with his guy. And by his guy I dont mean some washed up 8 year vet or whatever his "specialty" is

He's knows this little experiment is over. It's burning down around him and he's got to put out the fire. Who's the first to go and when? We need to start a pole.

when bryce gets traded there is no point in keeping dalton

they did trade his best player behind his back, I wanted Harbaugh here and then I wanted Vrbel here. What could have been