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I really thought that laying Higgins was a mistake. Not that he isn't a legit 1B WR, it's just that you only have so much cap to go around and you already have a QB and another WR making mega bucks with a trash tier OL and D. Seemed like the perfect candidate for a tag and trade.

PFF had both Coker and XL as middle of the pack. I do think their metric is only looking at caught passes though. Also if you look at the actual rating, Mingo and Chark are in the 20s in 2023 with Coker and XL in the 40s in 2024. Another interesting stat is 24 Mingo stays in the 20s despite changing teams away from Bryce? Shouldn’t he move up quite a bit on a new team where defenses are having to respect the QB? You also left out Diontae Johnson at 37 in 2024. 7 games for us and 5 for other teams with very limited stats (looks like 3 catches total say from us). How could he possibly be at 37 with defenses stacking the box making it impossible to get open? Maybe it’s the actual receivers not getting open and not defenses cheating coverage?

Surprised we have not cut anyone yet. Some of these guys are no brainers

I enthusiastically believe we won't lose another game in the next two weeks.

My honest take on his future is he'll have some cool highlights (maybe even a lot) but in the end he won't be a consistently good player. Of course, his fans will blame that on everyone except him

every route run https://espnanalytics.com/receivers you can sort by open, YAC and catch ratings by next gen. WRs don’t get open and there is no YAC on this team. Some of its players. Some is scheme. Some is Bryce. *YAC sorts pretty similar to OPEN with Coker being the anomaly. Gotta think that one might be skewed with that huge busted coverage play he had which is a massive % of his YAC on the year

We already have mummies at LB.

There are not 14 over the age of 32 with questionable knees. He has been one of the most dependable consistent lineman in our history. The concern is if he will he hold up 2 more years with the questionable knees.

Welp. Let's just agree that we hope this Panthers team comes out swinging in Jacksonville here in a few weeks. Because if they lay a big egg early to start the season again they deserve any and all criticism.

Is that seperstion even when the ball isnt thrown their way?

I didn’t throw anyone under the bus. It’s a fact. it happened. That can be true while also stating I won’t be overreacting about it, as I did.

Not surprised as they had already agreed on contract length and APY, they were just really far apart on GPY.

Even Tmac isn't known for separation. Horn jr or Coker are the two fastest WR probably and one isn't likely to see any time at all and the other is the fourth WR on the depth chart.

They weren’t getting open. ESPN analytics grades 159 receiving options getting open in 2024 159 - Tremble 148 - Saunders 148 - Moore 126 - Coker 108 - Leggette 92 - Theilen our shining star getting open was AT ranked at number #92 in the NFL

Can't help but notice you made it a point to fully throw our young TE under the bus for the drop but omitted the overthrow for a first down and Bryce panicking and moving himself into a sack in a play that honestly was extremely concerning for a third year QB who made instances like that all too common in the past. And that's not even mentioning a poorly thrown ball (penalty or no penalty) in the vicinity of a WR flanked by three defenders. It was very discouraging.

Yeah, but those receivers though.

If safeties are playing in the box and cheating getting open is harder? The ball doesn’t have to be thrown their way for the separation stat to take place. You still send your deep threat (I’m assuming this was Chark) deep and if no one is covering it because they don’t fear the QB’s arm Chark’s separation yardage goes way up. The second hole in your theory is different WRs magically got separation this past year with Bryce still at QB. Hmm so the same QB with more film on him and new weapons are now getting more separation. How does this happen? Well you have a new offensive system with better weapons. The QB would be the common variable here. Once again 2023’s offense was just all around awful. You have even said you don’t even count it as Bryce’s rookie year because it was so bad. I’ve seen you post 2024 was basically Bryce’s rookie year.

Reich was bad for what the Panthers owners wanted. We will never know if he was allowed to run his system with the QB he wanted what that would look like.

I mean, no I’m not going to panic when he got 2 Qs and looked great in 1 and looked not great in another (let’s not mention the drop). Yeah we finally have a team that would be considered average offensively around him. Let’s roll this season.

The woe is me everything but Bryce sucks mantra is stale af my friend. Look nobody here is going to argue with the fact Frank Reich was not a good head coach. At the same time. Bryce Young is now in his second season with his second coaching staff and a handpicked young offensive head coach who has been known for working with QB's such as Baker and Geno. As far as the offensive pieces around Bryce we have the 4th highest salary cap allocation (that might be even higher now after the new Moton deal) dedicated to the OL in the entire league. We have 2 first round WR's one of them 8th overall the first time we've ever selected a WR that high in franchise history. And the fact of the matter is Bryce Young did not have a good preseason. It's not the first time it's happened either. We all hope to see he and the rest of the team flip a switch in week 1. But we should all be able to agree that the offensive performances we've seen from the entire QB room (Bryce included) in preseason was simply unacceptable.

We have seen Bryce play… what… 9 games with AT BEST what one would consider NFL average WRs? You just can’t see the forest for the trees and keep going back to your lazy take of revisionist history. he looked AWFUL Y1 with the worst coaching I’ve ever seen in the NFL and one of the weakest WR rooms I can recall. He looked awful first half of y2 and great second half of y2 with average coaching and average skill position. I don’t know where this elite talent argument even comes from.

Their OL and the rest of their defense are going to be booty cheeks for the foreseeable future.

I assume the guys released now versus closer to Tuesday are bottom of the barrel on their respective teams. Guys who are borderline, but will eventually be cut, should be shopped until closer to the deadline.

Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield have the physical tools to overcome their deficiencies in other areas. Bryce Young does not. He was supposed to be mentally above his peers via his football IQ. That was supposed to his x factor that made himself stand out amongst other QB's and to overcome his average at best arm. Man I feel like you and some others here have a compulsion for making excuses for him. But you and others have fully flipped the script from before the draft. Nobody and I mean nobody who was heavily in favor of drafting Bryce Young was logging on here waxing poetic about how Bryce Young would need elite talent and elite coaching across the board to look like a top 20 QB. He was regarded as unequivocally the best QB in the draft and even the best player period in the draft. The revisionist history from some people here makes me laugh. It's certainly entertaining.

So answer the question. Why did Chark and Hurst have the same metrics (go look them up, I did... and one was actually worse in LA) with Justin Herbert? Why did Mingo have the same metrics with Dak? You're right, there is a common denominator, just not the one you're trying to make. Why could DJ Moore get open with Bridgewater, Allen, Cam 2.0, Darnold, Baker, Williams, Bagent? I'll answer the question for you - because he is a good WR unlike Chark/Hurst/Mingo.