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we have a bunch of PFF people at Carolina now in the analytics department. A bunch of old articles about how valuable those folks have been to Dan Morgan in shaping the team the past 2 years. Analytics certainly has it's place. But I think it can also be taken to hogwash level in sports.

So, Bryce Young?

He’s actually nothing like Anthony Richardson, but I see where you were going with this. He is a much more polished passer and can actually throw the football. The disclaimer is that he isn’t going to be a day 1 NFL starter.

Show me the ability to read defenses and make good decisions... Show me accurate passing... Those two things are the price of admission. You don't even get in the discussion without them. Take the pool of guys who qualify under those criteria as your base set and start evaluating everything else from there. But if you don't have those two things right up front, it's a non-starter.

What other football games did you watch during Week 1? Also, are you saying top-10 overall or for a certain grade?

Agree, sadly. He’s gonna need some time to sit and if the Panthers draft him he’s absolutely screwed out of the gate.

I do wonder what convinced the team to draft by PFF this year and then to have those grades come out after week 1 just makes it all look like a new low for everyone involved.

What I know is if you are selling me that your "ratings" rank Bryce as a top 10 performance last Sunday at QB.......then something ain't right. Everyone can hypothesize for fun as they wish but something isn't right with how you go about your grading there. Bryce sort continues to stand out as a redflag in how they got about whatever they do there. Week 1 highlights that so well (and it was spoken about last year often)

15min just to wait for the usual "BTT is a fake stat" nonsense I can get in any Huddle thread? k

What if I told you he's being coached by Mike Shula

If it were just one post I would agree but it isn't.

https://www.panthers.com/news/rapid-reactions-panthers-fall-to-jaguars-in-opener Do you have any direct evidence that PFF is cooking up their grades to uplift players that the entire company wants to succeed as you've claimed?

I feel like it is only a matter of time before they paywall it up like literally everything else is. Which will stink. It's a great place for all sports.

All of you who keep posting up these PFF numbers, this is why I don't pay much attention if any to all that stuff. Give me the real stats! Give me the real performance of a player. Stop all this moneyball stuff. The A's never won anything on that stuff. If I 'm not mistaken, we probably got former PFF employees in our scouting department. And the results of that seem to be showing.

To be fair, Sellers has a 65% completion percentage as opposed to a 49%.

Its' early in college football but this year seems to be a down year for QBs.

PFR is a solid source but they take awhile to get completely updated as they're just an 11 - 50 employee company based out of Philly vs. PFF who has 201 - 500 employees and NFL contracts. PFR tries to get advanced stats up by Tuesdays @ 6pm while PFF gets them out by noon the following day of the game. Both tend to be finalized by Thursday/Friday, but I've seen PFR do a lot more adjusting up until Friday when I was using them most often before snagging a deal on a PFF membership. Hell, I still use both. Sports Reference LLC by far has the best advanced stats keeping for college that are publicly available.

Check out Taylen Green too.

Sounds exactly like Anthony Richardson. No thanks.

Mateer does interest the heck out of me. Live arm, a solid A-power, dual threat, risk taker, experienced with presnap work, good mechanics. Has a side arm thing but nothing egregious or different than Ward, PM, etc. Outside of Sellers, he's the other with that level of high reward. And good news - the entire class is 6'-1" and above

Lanorris Sellers is my choice but I'm biased of course. He should honestly stay another year and develop as a passer though.

DCs have got a couple of years of Canales' play-calling now to see what he's doing the same between TB & CAR. Most fans without an anti-player agenda understood coming in that this was going to be a season about developing the young guys (something most fans have been clamoring for since the soft reboots started taking place), but the coaches are in the same boat imo. Not only does Evero need to show that last season was an aberration, Canales needs to show that he has an offensive mind that can compete with some of these great defensive coordinators around the league. I think one of the adjustments for that particular play is going to be having Tremayne (or whoever the WR ends up being) create a contact with the SS before his break to the corner if the CB has outside leverage. I recall seeing the same (or at least a very similar) play drawn up during preseason where XL was breaking open to the corner after getting to the CBs outside shoulder but the ball went elsewhere due to pressure. Shoot... I think this might be the season that I finally challenge myself to try and figure out which plays/concepts we see most often and when. The last decade of reviewing all-22s after frustrating L's has helped me learn so much more about the game.

I think he should keep it tbh and try to improve at it all. We hired him to be the f'ing playcaller and head coach, so deal with the bumps of someone learning on the job with a limited QB. It's fine.

It's a 3 year walk back from generational talent but that's what these guys do after going so hard for so long.

SC fan so I might be biased, but Sellers is built different just like Cam was. He can shrug off sacks and then pop out of the pocket and use his ridiculous acceleration to scramble for the first down. One of those things that just cannot be taught and will translate to the NFL. He's 6'3" 240 built like a brick poo-house and is not afraid of contact. He is however, definitely raw as Passer there is zero doubt about that. I think he's had 13 starts in college now? This shouldn't be surprising at all. He has a good arm though and can hopefully improve, seems to have a great head on his shoulders.