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Let's just bring back Jake. Then we could bring back smitty to play OL.

Cot damn! Spot on analysis.

The panthers like guys with great ability and no skills. They also like guys with great skill and no ability.

Shedeur aint no Jake The trade for a different QB would be a wreck on a wreck

Works at lower levels, but NFL players need a prerequisite level of football tools coming in. There's simply not enough time to learn how to be an NFL player at age 23 or whatever. It's a progression of skill through high school and college.

I'm fine with taking late round flyers on athletes. I mean, you get into the 6th and 7th you're basically talking about guys with the measurables minus the production or guys with the production minus the measurables. You're just trying to find guys who can carve out a role to make your roster.

Heard an interesting point on wfnz (shocking I know). It no longer makes sense for gms, coaches to draft players that need "coaching up" but have raw athletic ability. By the time they reach that potential if they ever do, you're already fired. If they haven't proven it in college already they're going to get you fired in 2 years. Stop drafting guys on potential and draft fuging football players. Wallace over Payton Wilson for just one example. You want Dawgs Dan but how about you start with healthy guys that know how to play the position you're drafting them to play.

Bryce a bust? Maybe. But what if he's that edge case from 40 years ago?

Damn pregame production teams have got their marching orders on Bryce.

It's too early to consider moving on from Canales, but replacing Bryce is long overdue. Bryce believers say that he thrives in improvising, but so far we've seen nothing but disaster when he improvises (interceptions, fumbles). I think that's why Canales is telling him to stop playing hero ball. With that out the window, he doesn't have the skills or abilities to compensate. I like their madden analogy. It perfectly explains Bryce.

I like to reverse the comparisons. could Bryce young survive in the mid 80s nfl? not career wise, like physically.

It couldn't look worse. My concern is that if we stick with Bryce it probably means another full reset is coming. We gotta give Canales and Morgan a chance because we're going to be shopping in the garbage bin again if we replace them. Let's give them every chance we can before we go down to the convenience store and buy more scratch off lottery ticket ass hires.

I keep saying it, but this offense would look like damn near Greatest Show on Turf if they handed the keys to Andy.

What exactly has scourton done exactly

The Panthers are just an afterthought at this point. Just a run of the mill bottom feeder. There's just nothing interesting to cover from a national standpoint.

That's why I'm advocating for looking everywhere for potential upgrades. Free agency, trade market, draft. We have a bust of a starter and an over the hill pushing 40 backup. We need QBs. Multiple QBs. Leave no stone unturned. We got ourselves into this mess going all in on a savior.

Oh not at all. But that was definitely how he was presented and how he (at least partly) sold himself. you don’t just get to “hand it to the haters” and get to spend another first rounder.

Kudos to him for recognizing what has been plainly obvious to anyone that has watched the Panthers offense.

gee, its almost like we have been saying that for 3 years now, THE LITTLE DUDE CANNOT SEE THE FIELD couple that with the lack of arm strength and ask yourself how the fug did this midget go #1?

The problem is many, many other teams have this issue and the draft bust rate is as high as ever. Cam Ward looks worse than Bryce did his rookie year and he just went #1 overall. We saw how bad our other QB's were in the preseason. Put in Hooker, sure okay he might run a little more, but we are still getting blown out and our WR's still won't get the ball.

Agreed. Just look at the bengals

Switch back to the 4-3. If for no other reason than historically we have been better able to find players that fit the scheme more ideally. Build the lines on both sides. Yes, taking O and D linemen is not splashy. It pays off in the long run. If there is not a qb that has the potential to be the one, don't spend premium picks just to say we drafted a franchise qb. Bring in a vet qb that is capable and ready to play on day 1. Doesn't matter if Young is being kept, or there is a rookie being drafted. No more Daltons. Develop a team identity, culture and recognize there is a timeline and plan to getting back on track. Don't be fooled into thinking a good start or a better than expected year means we are 1 player away. We are not 1 player away. Patience, and stick to the plan. Be judicious on trading picks. Teams that are contenders can trade picks around, because they are good enough to absorb the loss of potential players for immediate gain. That is not us.

How are we going to save Shedeur, when we can't even save ourselves?