DaveThePanther2008

Here's my take. We were obviously looking to get a QB in the 2023 draft. We traded CMC for far less than what he was worth. Had we held onto CMC and traded Burns we would have had two first rounders we could have used in the Young trade and maybe save our 2024 first round pick (which now appears to be a top 3 pick) and kept Moore. These two weapons would have given Young something to work with. With Young already in house our top pick in 2024 would have netted us several 1st round picks to the right team. I think to make matters worse is that Burns wants top dollar for a DE that isn't top tier DE money. I love Burns and he makes some good plays. However, he's not caliber of a Bosa. I think we knew last year that Burns was going to be a holdout and not sign an extension when Bosa was up for contract. It would have saved us from the headache. They say hindsight is 2020 but if you are going to gut your offense of your best players for draft picks, why not use some of the defensive talent and reboot the entire team. In the long run I think we traded the wrong player in 2022.

I haven't either. I thought the reason we picked him up was to bolster our WR room but outside of Punt Return he's been a waste of a pick we gave up for him. We could have put anyone back there and saved the draft pick. Though it was a 7th rounder we could have used it on a player that would contribute more. I think what gets me is that he had a pretty decent pre-season, which was why we picked him up in the first place. He can't do any worse than what we've been putting out there so far.

We acquired this guy before the season started from KC. He had a solid preseason for KC and according to Reich he was a good route runner. Outside of Theilan our WR room is pretty much a bunch of JAGs. Mingo is a rookie and maybe worthy of his draft position as it appears he's getting better. Outside of those two guys our other WRs are not very good. Why aren't we putting this guy in the lineup and see if he provides some sort of a spark. If we weren't going to put him in the rotation why did we acquire this him? We could have filled the PR position with just about anyone.

I don't know what the issue really is. I get Corbett was out for the first part of the season but how the hell did our O-Line go from being a strength to a huge weakness. We have the same O-Line Coach. Coach Campen is a well-respected coach in this league. Are we running a different approach to the way we block? Of course, it is much easier for a defense to pin their ears back when they know we have to throw the ball. Icky got abused yesterday. There was one play where the defender planted our 300+ Lb OT as if he'd never played the position before.

We would be insane to trade away any picks even late one for a RB. Any RB we get using a late round pick is not going to be any better than someone we have on the roster. If you are going to reach for a RB I'd rather poach one off a practice squad which would only force us to keep him on the roster.

That first down to ice the game, Hubbard wasn't going to be denied. It was great to see him get that first down. As poorly as our running game has been that final drive Hubbard ran possessed.

This will be a debate their entire careers. Today Young gets the "W". Stroud clearly shows he can play in this league. I actually wanted Richardson deep down but knew it was either Stroud or Young. We got Young and he earned his first game winning drive. He said it in the post-game news conference. "It's hard to win in this league". Bottom line we scored more points than they did. Stroud's first drive had some amazing throws and some incredible catches against some solid defense. The guy deserves credit for his accuracy on that drive. Our defense, though depleted, played a pretty good game and deserves some credit as well as Young. It's one win but as they say, you go into each week 0-0. Hopefully, we have a good game against Indy next week. The only thing about Young that drives me crazy is that, because of his small stature, he doesn't escape when defenses get their hands on him. His pocket presence is pretty good but damn if a defender gets his hands on him he's not going to break away. It is what it is and we'll just have to hope our O-Line improves and gives him better lanes to escape, if necessary.

Foreman and Hubbard run as a good RBs should. Run hard and aggressive and if the hole isn't there MAKE ONE. Churn out as many yards as you can. Keeping it positive I won't mention RBs that pitter patter to the line.

Jackson to the Niners and Burns to Detroit. One deal each contender should make ahead of NFL trade deadline: Ravens land Derrick Henry, Chiefs acquire WR - CBSSports.com

Great Receiver Great Panther Too many other WR with better stats still on the outside looking in.

Any given Sunday (Monday)

No arguments here on that.

Well, it is pretty obvious that Reich isn't much of a play caller and IF Brown does well and our offense starts to move the ball someone is going to snatch him up. We've been through this several times where we have kept the incumbent and let the better talent move on. (ie. Bean and McDermott).

Been a long time since that happened. Last time I can remember is when Baltimore and the Rams traded teams. Robert Irsay bought the Rams on July 13, 1972. He then immediately traded the franchise to Carroll Rosenbloom, who was the owner of the Baltimore Colts. Rosenbloom made the deal in part because he saved $4.4 million in taxes, which was an enticing proposition. Chump change for an owner these days.

We'll see what happens when Brown runs the offense. If we see a great improvement maybe Tepper fires Reich and moves Brown into the HC position. Rather lose Reich than Brown at this movement in time.

It's not like our defense is top tier. We need to rebuild and if we're getting a 1st round pick for him, it be hard to pass up. I love Jackson and want him to stay but this team need to find out who's worthy of stayng and who isn't. Sadly, I'd also listen to offers for Horn. Guy just can't stay healthy. We'd probably trade him, and he never misses another game.

I watch many games thanks to AFN showing 3 games at a time. Plus I'll stream either the Panthers game or NFL Redzone. I watch so many teams that are creative and yet we're still stuck in the wrong era. Like I said before, I think Brown is going to shake things up some. I'm with you, If Brown makes us look like a real offense fire Reich and make Brown the HC. It would suck to show great improvement only to watch Brown go somewhere else and we're stuck with another OC that is like Reich.

With or without Foreman the idea to sign Sanders was a huge mistake. Every time he gets the ball he doesn't press the issue. He baby steps hoping to find a hole and he gets dropped for zero to negative yards all the time. He was supposed to similar to CMC. A valuable target out of the backfield. So far he is by far our worst signing in the offseason.

It's hard to tell but if I remember correctly the one preseason game where he was making the calls we actually looked like a competent offense. We'll see. It will be interesting to see how he does. Reich might feel the hot-seat from within the organization.

I've got tickets to the Jaguar game in Jacksonville on New Year's Eve and I will be wearing my colors. My new wife, who is Filipino and my young 7-year-old daughter will also be sporting our colors. I have NEVER gone to a game without a Jersey and regardless of our record I won't start now. Been a fan from day 1 and will remain that way until my time is up. Hopefully, after we win the SB.

I think Burns could be had for maybe a 1st and a 2nd round pick if the team that trades for him is willing to sign him long-term. If they are looking for a temporary fix for the remainder of the season I don't see them giving up that much. Chinn was supposed to be the wild-card for our defense yet his name is barely called. If an offer came up for him for a 2nd. I'd take it. I think if we are going to dive into the free agent market we need to stop reaching for a "potential stars" and grab legitimate ones. Chark had one good season and we missed on him. We let Foreman walk and signed Sanders who is a terrible running back. He baby-steps to the line and get zero acceleration when he's at the line. I would have rather kept Foreman. Hurst needs WR to help him get open. Theilan is the only WR on this team that consistently gets open and sadly for us it is usually the same area of the field our TE would succeed. If we ever get a legitimate #1 WR things may change for him. Mingo was supposed to be a sure thing. Smitty had him going to use before we selected him. So far, he's nonexistent and just another cursed 2nd round pick when it comes to WR. Barring a major trade with Burns we aren't going to get a 1st round pick. As of right now we are the top pick in the draft. So the 2nd round pick at the top of the 2nd round is critical for us. Too many variables right now but hopefully there is a #1 WR that falls to the top of the 2nd round. As far as coaching goes. I want to see what Brown can do calling the game. Seems to me when Brown ran the offense in the pre-season it was one of our better performances. Whoever is making the decision to start Sanders over Hubbard needs to be relieved. Hubbard is clearly the better RB of the two. It's sad to watch Hubbard get three of four good carries in the first half and then never see him again. Evero gets a pass this season because switching from 4-3 and 3-4 isn't easy and it shows. I don't ever remember our run defense being so bad. So frustrating to see 8,9 and 10+ yards on every running play. Fixing this team is going to be brutal. It can be done but it must be done wisely and so far wisely doesn't seem to fit the description of our front office.

Players like TMJ, Mingo and Chark would have to start playing like we expected them. Chark can't catch a cold, TMJ can't win a contested throw and Mingo is still trying to figure out how to play in the NFL. Theilan is the only bright spot on our receiving Corps. Sanders is a bust at running back mostly because he pitter patters to the line. Hubbard at least runs like he has a purpose and really is our only decent RB, however when Sanders is healthy he gets the bulk of the carries. Defensively, I think we just don't have the players for the scheme we are running. We are getting gashed on just about every running play. Our best DBs have more splinters from the bench than they have playing time. To win out we HAVE TO get Young some help. Our defense has to improve A LOT. I have always been optimistic but this season it just seems too much for us. Sadly, Chicago is going to have a top 5 pick, plus their own top 5 pick in 2024 draft. Our only bright spot barring a trade of Burns is a top pick in round two.

I've been a regular poster on this forum for many, many years but is has gotten to the point where every single thread is destroyed by negative posters one after another. I used to come on this forum every day to get news and great discussion about our team. These days it is frustrating to see post after post of negativity. You don't have to agree with a thread and still have productive discussion. Yeah, we're having a terrible season and I really thought we would be competitive, but the truth is we are in rebuild mode. New schemes offensively and defensively, a new rookie QB and some players that cannot step up into starter roles. We are starving for something positive, and I get that but destroying each thread just to destroy it isn't productive. I voted for but even if you do post something positive it will only take a couple comments before it is derailed by arguments and attacks. The days of a great forum are well behind us.

Better watch out Tepper might bite on it. How delusional can a player be? He hasn't had one snap in the NFL and he thinks he's going to be part owner of the franchise who drafts him. He'd have to win multiple Super Bowls before the end of his rookie deal to even be considered for partial ownership.

I read the other day that we are running a zone blocking scheme (Maybe I misread it). It is obviously not working. Why are we running this type of scheme considering our offensive line was much better running the ball with a normal approach last year. Sanders drivers me crazy as he is always pitter pattying when he approaches the line. I guess he's waiting for the zone blocking to work and find a hole. It's not working. Why isn't Hubbard being used more often? He at least pounds the hole better. I don't think it's Campen but I do believe it is Brown and Reich's scheme. It just doesn't make sense that our line looks so bad compared to last year. Got it Corbett is out but damn. Thoughts.