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this is the other component of this if your logic is “rhule is going to get a QB to save his job” then you better hope they draft one at 6, because if not then they are giving up future draft assets for a middle of the road player to assure them pick #17 in the draft next season

Fascinating but that isn’t what I was discussing with the other poster.

yes, an improved roster. If you think Evan Neal or Ikem ekwonwu are the can’t miss generational pieces that you claim they are, then how could the roster not be improved, when combined with the other additions? unless of course they aren’t in which case there’s definitely no reason to bypass selecting a QB.

it is not in his contract to select a QB what are you talking about read what I posted

okay but the organization can’t make decisions centered around this kind of illogical hate bait with an improved roster, objective logic would dictate that they improve this season, even if only by a game or two. Maybe they implode, it could happen, but “maybe” isn’t how you make these decisions.

the panthers didn’t get a top 5 pick this season, now you want to “build the roster” and hope they get worse. top 10 isn’t nearly good enough to acquire the kind of guys you want

nothing that we’ve read has indicated that Matt rhule is the driving force behind selecting a QB, that’s just something that anti-QB people assumed because QB=Bad and Matt Rhule=Bad and so the two are lumped together rather than face the scary reality that the people in the building who want a QB are the ones who have more staying power obviously we don’t for sure know their intentions, but it seems pretty clear from what they’ve said and what they’ve done that Dave tepper and Scott fitterer are the driving forces behind a selection of a QB.

to be clear, your entire ethos to the future of this team is predicated on your absolutely certainty that the panthers will have the first overall pick in the draft next offseason?

well let’s swallow the hard to swallow pill: the panthers won’t be in range to take one of those players next season. To operate as if they will is hope at best and delusion at worst. The teams that will be in range to do so won’t be trading those picks, and certainly won’t be trading them for less than three 1’s plus (should the panthers luck into the third or fourth overall pick team being amicable to a trade because the team has an option at QB, such as Jax) once you accept this bitter truth, the question becomes…. So what are we going to do? being able to use a single selection on the draft’s top QB prospect is value that cannot be overstated. To bypass that is a horrendous waste of opportunity cost.

to do what exactly “moAr pIckZ” makes draft night fun and exciting which is most poster’s ultimate aim, but the practical reality is that when we reach the point where our stewardship of the draft has impactful consequences, a slew of JAGs or rotational pieces aren’t really contributing, and they especially aren’t doing so without a franchise QB none of this peripheral hoop jumping has any point or purpose until the team finds someone at that position “but they could be great players!” i hope not, that’s the worst case scenario. The last thing this organization needs is to luck into some great linebacker who helps carry the team to the middle of the draft and out of even the kind of opportunity they have now to acquire a QB in a “down class”

“The Panthers are also being genuine when they say there are several of these quarterbacks they like. But that depends on the when as much as the who.” also the impression I get from this article is that the panthers would like to take a QB in (and only in) a trade down scenario, which is trademark colossally poor philosophy predictably coming from the leagues worst-ran team if you think a QB is 1st round talent and have a 1st round grade on him, the idea that you’re comfortable taking him at #13 but not at #6 is brain meltingly stupid, and yet we must assume that it is sincere because if you were trying to entice a trade up, the dialogue coming out wouldn’t be “we’ll only take a QB if we can move down,” because you’re positioning yourself to negotiate from a position of weakness, without even offering up the threat of plucking a QB from the team looking to move up that may desire one

https://www.panthers.com/news/draft-debate-quarterback-makes-sense-willis-pickett-corral Let’s set aside the “debate” real quick and all agree that Matt rhules college brain probably doesn’t value this component of the draft as much as he should (the individual wielding executive personnel control given to him by the owner): ”The sixth overall pick in this year's draft will be slotted into a contract that will pay him around $30 million for four years, with the team allowed to pick up a guaranteed option for a fifth year. At a time when top quarterback salaries are eclipsing the $40 million a year mark and climbing fast, you can have the math skills of a journalism major and understand the value of finding them young.” Everything Matt rhule has indicated so far is that his draft approach is that of the average panthers redditor

and #11 is a much more reasonable spot for a guard, and #13 for a center, were gonna be dominating so much TOP these next few seasons hopefully the league changes the rules to structure playoff seeding by that kind of thing

sounds like some team trying to push the better OTs down the board panthers will probably slurp down the hype though

Matt rhule fundamentally doesn’t understand that offensive selections are more valuable than defensive ones, he’s a huddler level talent scout whose board is divvied up on the basest of “safest player available”…. and Dave tepper put him with total control over the roster honestly not sure which is a bigger loser

not really, because the draft doesn’t really operate in this brain meltingly simplistic manner

my post and this comment aren’t exclusive

and they will fail again, as they have, over and over. this board may undervalue the QB position but NFL teams do not. You aren’t trading into the #1 to select the only kind of QB that people on this forum are comfortable with.

honestly if the team passes on a QB again because they think they can just go “get their guy” next offseason, I’ll be actively pulling for them to miss out. tepper and fitterer being forced to choke down the humble pie would be better for the long term health of the team, it’s the same arrogance that led to them being humiliated by Watson (and stafford, and others) over and over. this delusion that they can just have their cake and eat it too, that when the time comes they can just go do whatever they want, and they might as well draft a “safe” CB or OT or X or Y, it’s been the bedrock of their humiliation for a while now. if the thought process is “wow cj stroud, that’s it, I’ve decided, HE is OUR GUY, CJ Stroud is a panther everyone, let’s just be patient and PREPARE THE ROSTER” then I will earnestly be hoping cj stroud goes one pick ahead of them to the Falcons and that this team is imprisoned in the stench of their own self made failure because they will absolutely deserve it. At some point you have to stop wallowing in the delusion and the ego and you have to play the hand your dealt, it doesn’t matter what jimmy blogposter says about QB X-you have to join us back in reality and make decisions from that foundation.

honestly props to robbie he could’ve waited for the team to inevitably settle in on whichever journeyman bum they talked themselves into this offseason so as to avoid making the big swing yet again, demanded a trade after the fact and made the organization look bad in the process or he could actually fight for the heart and future of the team by trying to prevent it from happening to begin with

Robbie anderson is a hero

It would be the exact same mistake. The resources given up are of secondary concern to how many times those loser staff and this loser organization can hitch their wagon to a loser journeyman QB chasing dreams of a .500 season. At some point you actually have to try to be great. i honestly suspect rhule desires a QB like garroppolo because he is what he is: an average player with average personality and average value and average ability who can be thoroughly indoctrinated into the Rhule mold. He won’t complain when he only throws 11 passes in a game, he won’t dance in the endzone, he won’t threaten Rhule’s authority by virtue of being a big personality with big stardom. he’s small and average, and that’s exactly what rhule and his dated view on the QB position wants

I’m honestly curious how many times an nfl team could make the same mistake in a row

it’s so generic I honestly assumed it was just a placeholder for whatever they plan to put there until OP provided context

late in the 4th of a must win game, panthers down by 4, need a stop, the crowd erupts into a magnanimous back and forth cheer to attempt energize the defense and save the season ”THE” ”BRAND” ”THE” ”BRAND” ”THE” ”BRAND” and that’s another New Orleans Saints third down conversion