SmokinwithWilly

It just happened with Russell Wilson. That didn't turn out well so far. Could that change under Payton? Sure. But RW looked like ass. Denver gave up a ton of picks and salary cap for him and got basically nothing. It's not just the picks. It's the salary cap implications as well. If Lamar is looking in the range of 50m a year guaranteed or more long term, which is what it's sounding like, who are you going to let walk? Burns. Chinn. Icky when it's time. Moton. DJ. Horn. Burns contract could be in the neighborhood of 25-30m per season. How do you fill in the rest of your team paying so much in salary? You need picks to replenish talent that is inevitably going to walk for a bigger paycheck that the team can't provide. And those picks will be sitting in Baltimore. Plus you have to hope he can play the entire season, because the past 2 he has missed several games to injury. Half the league may be willing to give up the picks to get the others, but would they be running to the mat if it was 50-60m per year fully guaranteed? I'm not against bringing in LJ, though I really think we should build through the draft. I'd be saying the same thing if it was Herbert, Burrow or Allen, especially Allen. His playing style and that elbow injury is very concerning if a fully guaranteed contract were in play. I'm against the combination of salary cap implications and traded picks that could very well leave the team hamstrung. The whole thing really depends on what LJ contract price would be and what Baltimore would want in trade.

The goal isn't just to get a franchise QB. The goal is to build a team around a franchise QB. If you cripple your ability to do that, then you likely waste your franchise QB. That's why you rarely see teams trade for franchise QBs. They can't afford the salary and the picks. You can do one or the other, not both.

Grass should have gone down the day after Arizona's last home game. That would have given it a chance at least to become a legit playing surface

Derek Carr won't cost nearly what Lamar will and there's no guarantee Lamar gets you a SB win. If you want Lamar, prepare to give up at least 3 1sts and a couple 2nds, plus 50 to 60 a year fully guaranteed. It's difficult to build a team when you don't have picks or the cash to replenish players lost to retirement, injury or FA. I don't think Carr will get us to the SB, and Im not advocating for him, but to think what it's going to cost to acquire either isn't going to affect your ability to build a team is ludicrous.

JMO but sacks are an overrated stat. A guy can have 3 sacks and get burned every other defensive play and most people would think he had a great game just looking at the stats. I'm far more interested in how many times a player severely impacted the offenses ability to move the ball or establish a rhythm. To me, that much more accurately determines the effectiveness of a defensive player.

Having a QB with a coach that knows how to run an offense wins championships. We had the first part. We didn't have the 2nd.

I don't want to refs to be perfect but I want consistency. There was a lot of handsy defensive plays tonight that didn't get called. If you're going to call it, call it all game. If not, then let it go all game.

I understand McKinnon sliding but man, I wanted another Philly possession just to keep the shootout alive.

Turf will start to root and be somewhat connected but spikes and torque will tear those apart pretty quickly.

He's not old enough to get that call

Typical sod is 6-8 weeks to root in completely in ideal growing conditions depending on turf variety. You can go back to sod laid 2 weeks ago and it will pull up with very little effort.

LOL at me being mad. You obviously don't understand that increasing the cap doesn't increase the % available to pay players. 53 players have to be paid. One player taking a huge portion of that % limits the ability of the team to build around them.

It all depends on what you think the best strategy is to build a team. I like Burns as a pass rusher, but he's not a complete DE right now, especially against the run. We haven't had a QB since 2018 Cam. If we think Stroud or Young are the guys, we need the picks Burns would have gotten to trade up. It's not ideal because you obviously want to keep your edge rushers, but if trading Burns can get that franchise QB we've been missing, I think you have to do it.

When the cap began in 1994, SB winning QB Steve Young was 11% of his teams salary cap. At 45m per season, Lamar would be 20% of his teams salary cap. You can't keep increasing the % a QB gets and expect to field a team that is competitive. Doesn't matter if you have a billion dollar QB if you can't afford to block for him or have someone for him throw to.

I think at some point we're going to see the QB contracts hit a wall, much like the rookie contract cap. 50m a year fully guaranteed contracts aren't going to be sustainable to be competitive long term.

I'm OK with it. His contract is going to make it hard to assemble a solid roster over time. Franchise FA QB is great and all but one player taking up 50m in cap space a year is going to make them rely on a lot of rookie or lower tier FAs contracts to fill the gap.

It's not all of a sudden except in Carolina. All throughout the early part of his career there was a huge concern outside of Carolina that using him like a RB would end up sending him into the dreaded RB30 wall. Cam was also taking hundreds more hits during the early part of career than other QBs in the same time frame. Add in the head hunting the NFL allowed vs Denver in SB50 and the 16' opener. Cam has taken more punishment than any other QB I can ever remember. I'm in the PNW and it was pretty common discussion on talk radio out here that Ron and Co were complete idiots for using their franchise QB like that. It was also pretty common discussion that that is exactly how not to use your QB if you want him to have a long career. Carolina fans just ignored it because Cam was such a freakish athlete.

Vick was never used as a battering ram. Cam was. No HC ever really let their QB take the designed beating that Ron let Cam take. Cam got hurt on 2 fluke plays. One was landing wrong and the other was a nasty hit. The thing is using your QB as RB 2.0 increases the likelihood of having one of those hits. I don't remember which Bills game it was at the end of this year, but Allen was "tackled" by getting put into a split. That could have easily been a torn groin or something similar if he had turned wrong or his momentum had been going the other way.

People mention the Rams trade because that was the offer. That kind of offer is for an elite edge rusher. That's Mack, Miller, Bosas, Watts level edge rushers. Personally I don't have Burns as that elite level yet. Could he get there? Sure. Could he also not get there? Sure. But we need 1st round picks if we're serious about getting our guy. 1st round picks are used to get a franchise QB. If you want to go after Lamar, you're going to need 1sts to trade. If you have a specific QB you want, you need to be able to trade up to make sure you can draft him. Doesn't matter if anyone else thinks he'll be there at 9. You want him, you go get him. That takes draft picks. Moving to 1 would be a hell of a lot easier with 5 1st and 2nds over the next 3 years. To make that trade, you have to consider the quality of what those picks could end up being. Stafford and his elbow look done. Without a 1st this year or the next 2, do you really think Baker Mayfield is leading that team to a SB? The guy we cut is going to net us a late 20s or 30s pick in 24' and 25'? I think both of those picks end up being top 10 if the trade is made because I don't think Baker is that guy. So let's consider if we had made the trade and the Rams did make a SB winning run this year. If Burns is that elite, as you are claiming he is, that should have been a very reasonable outcome for the Rams this year. Then comes the bigger question of whether or not McVay decides to call it quits as a winner, Stafford and Donald both are done as 2x champs, and then Rams having no 1st round picks for the next 3 years. But since the trade didn't happen, you have to now consider the upcoming contract. Figure that we're probably going to overpay for Burns because that's just what we do. Growing cap space and considered an elite edge rusher because of what was offered for him, we could realistically end up paying him $22-$30m per year for 5 years. Reddick just signed a 3 year offer for $15m per year and has had the same level of production. Is it possible to that level of production for that salary figure that we are going to potentially pay Burns? It's very possible. I want a QB. We need a QB. I think trading Burns could have brought us closer to that goal. Remember at the time of the trade offer, our future HC was still unknown. So if I had the choice for what I believe are 2 top 10 future 1sts, a 2nd this year, and $25m per year in cap space or Brian Burns, I'm trading Burns because I believe those assets can get us a more important position than DE, and that's a franchise QB. And if an offer similar to that comes at us again this offseason, depending on who makes it, I'd be damn sure considering it.

Because it was a hail mary shot at another SB. Stafford, McVay, Donald, their futures are all in doubt. It's also yet to be seen if Kupp returns at the same level he was playing at, though there's no reason to think he won't. He's also due for a big payday. Burns could have given them the edge to get there. A Lombardi is worth more than 2 1sts and a 2nd any day of the week. It all depends on your perspective.

No more desperation to win now also lowers value.

Everyone agrees franchise QB is more important position than edge rusher. So if we offered Burns, who is a known commodity, for the 1st pick to take a franchise QB, and it's agreeable, then it should be a no brainer. The question really is, is Burns worth more than Stroud or Young?

Dom capers probably has more NFL experience by himself than Rhules entire staff after 2 years combined.

It wasn't just every QB. So many guys played worse under him. This is the first time I can recall going into an offseason and having almost no handle on the talent level of our team. Do we just not have the players? Was it the scheme? Was it just OOU BS permeating the building? Those must have been the most delicious meatballs ever.

7-10. The only record that matters. We beat a Detroit team bad against the run. I'd rather see Brady get humiliated by Dallas on wildcard weekend as his last game before retirement and screw TB draft position. Darnold. Meh. Still Darnold. I didn't like the McAdoo hire at the beginning of the season and the end of the season didn't change my mind. It was a pretty boring offense with little creativity and the most yards of the season was by Shenault running that fake over and over and over. Dude have to have logged 2k yards as a decoy.