SmokinwithWilly

True but they're available to be had in the offseason if you're willing to pay.

We're signing a vet QB in FA. The level of that signing will give more direction to the way we're going to go in the draft. Rodgers, LJ or Carr, I expect us to pass on a 1st round QB. Darnold, Brissett or similar and I expect us to go for a rookie in rd 1.

It actually is debatable. Lamar missed 4 games 2 years ago and 5 last year. You can only carry an offense if you're playing. His durability is a legitimate concern. His playing style also exposes him to more hits than a standard pocket QB increasing the possibility of getting hurt. Running QBs don't have the longevity of pocket QBs. Then you have to pay his salary and the huge picks/player haul to acquire him. That affects your ability to build your team as a whole. If you're confident giving up 3 1sts and 2nds and/or players plus 50m a year or more guaranteed multi year for a QB that has missed 1/4 of the season each of the past 2 years, that's your prerogative. I If Baltimore is willing to let this amazing MVP QB walk because they don't think they can build a successful team with his salary demands, it definitely begs the question, If Lamar isn't worth the salary he's demanding to his current team, what makes him worth that salary and a crippling amount of draft picks to another? Can he carry a team to multiple SBs and win with all the pieces a team will have to give up to acquire him? And make no mistake, if we traded for LJ for that size haul, I would expect no less than 2-3 SB trips and Lombardis or else we lose the trade. Lamar is a very good player. I don't think he's so exceptional he can overcome the limitations he would place on a team. That's my prerogative.

Carr also had the great neutralizer in Josh McDaniels and one of the worst defenses in the NFL. I'm not saying Carr is better than LJ, but you can't judge any of these QBs in a vacuum.

Also worth noting Garoppolo hasn't been immune to injury himself. I'd worry more about his injury liability than LJ.

If he does, it will be interesting to see what Adams thinks since he made the decision to not play with Rodgers. I'm not so sure the reunion would be a welcome one.

All of this depends on what Carr wants and if he believes he can succeed here under Reich. We are getting a vet QB. That is a certainty. Corral and any rookie will do better if we give them a chance to develop some before throwing them into the fire. Mahomes sat an entire year behind Alex Smith. I wouldn't want to sign Carr to more than a 3 year deal. That would give us an opportunity to take a QB this year at 9 if one we like falls. We have to get past the idea that we are going to be able to trade up. That will only work if someone is willing to move down to 9, which Chicago may not be willing to do, AND other teams don't draft the QB we want. If they view any of the top 4 as a franchise QB, they're not going to move. Chicago is rumored to want one of the top defensive prospects, and I don't think they will drop much past 4 to make sure they get him. That could require a trade up to 3 and then to 1 if we want the #1 and that will cost a damn fortune in picks and/or players. Again, all of this goes back to Carr and his contract demands and the strategy for building. I don't think Carr is as bad as he played with the Raiders. He could be more, he could be less. But I'm much more confident now that we have someone who can actually evaluate QB talent, whether it be Carr, or a rookie QB to move up and get.

The thing about Brady though is he played for less than market value and that cap space was used to bolster the team. He got paid in other ways through the Pats using his supplements or whatever else he was hocking at the time. I won't disagree about having the guy worth the second contract at all, because obviously that's what you want. I just think at some point the bubble is going to burst on these mega QB contracts because they can't win it all by themselves. You have to be able to get some other pieces.

We're getting leftovers from somewhere. Our most seasoned QB going into 23 is not going to be Matt Corral. It all depends on cost, picks and salary.

We've also seen 2 teams (Rams and Bucs) in the last 5 years build the entire support staff, then bring in a QB to take it over the top. They could also take that approach as well since it has worked very recently.

Raiders about to go Kungfoo Hillbilly on his ass

I wouldn't mind going the Smith/Mahomes route. Bring in Carr, draft a QB or keep Corral if this staff decides that's what's best, next year begin transitioning to said rookie after a year to actually get up to NFL speed.

They had to move on from Carr or McDaniel. They couldn't afford(literally) to fire McDaniel so Carr it is.

Right now we have 1 QB that has never thrown an NFL pass and was "developing" under Matt Rhule. We're getting a retread, no matter what. The question is who are we going for and how much are we going to pay. If Carr comes at a bargain, great. If not, expect a Darnold or Brisset. This team is not going into TC without a QB that's taken at least a few NFL snaps.

I almost hoped Payton would go to Indy. I guess Irsay and Payton didn't sniff each other out.

He's probably on a flight over Nebraska right now making his contributions to the Huskers.

Carr doesn't feel as much like a cast off as he does like a FU to the Raiders. That place has been a revolving shitshow for years. That doesn't absolve him of his piss poor play obviously, but it doesn't have the same feel as Darnold or Baker.

That's what I genuinely hope for. It's one thing to recruit young talent. It's quite another when the talent recruits you because they know you have the best opportunity for growth and advancement.

Not to mention minority promotions may net 3rd round picks. I would love to see some of the best and brightest start coming through Carolina as well.

Would be a very good idea with the amount of coaches that get poached every year. Also, if this tree is successful, we will be a favorable destination for up and coming coaches and coordinators.

I'm genuinely curious how much of the staff, being so experienced and diverse, was Fitts and Morgan part of selecting and not just Reich. If they are somewhat involved it helps boost my confidence in our FO duo that Rhule really was holding them back.

NFL going to need a coaches salary cap by the time we're done. I'm good with that.

I think Luke could be amazing in a QB room. Show them exactly what defensive guys are thinking and how to break it apart.

The not finishing the past 2 seasons could be a huge red flag for someone wanting to set the market on a fully guaranteed contract at the QB position. I think that part of the contract is a big part of the sticking point in the discussion.