Khyber53

His Dad had the same problem a few times in his career. Luckily he and Jake clicked.

Fun take on the first round, including our own.

Great write up. I think we're going to try to keep both of the guys we've gotten from the Vikings on that DE/OLB rotation. I don't think they ever had the chance to get up to speed together. And I really agree with you about Clowney. I really think this room really is going to depend on whether our long-term goal is to continue with 3-4 (I hope not) or go back to 4-3 full time. I'm hoping the safety situation and the LB situation don't end up biting us in the butt. I just don't see where we've gotten better there yet. I hope I'm wrong about this. O-line... just when things are jelling, you find out this might be the last season the group can expect to be together... that's just our history here. Again. Any thoughts on Moose's kid, Moose 3, coming as an undrafted FA WR?

We need a solid returner, which he can do. And that is going to help. But you watch his tape, against good SEC competition and the guy just has it. Just wasn't always on a good team. And then, that bloodline... Loved watching his Dad play the game. If some of that skill and all of that football knowledge came down to him, then there will be a seat for him in the WR room this season. I'll be pulling for him during training camp to make the final roster.

Locker room cancer waiting to happen. That's why he has been shunned.

Third down back in training. We'll lose Dowdle after this season.

Okay, it won't be a team with a first year head coach... too dangerous of a pick. Bad season and he'll be throwing the coach under the bus and suddenly Coach Prime moves to the NFL. No HC or GM wants that action. Okay, it can't be a team on the growth cycle. If they are moving up, they don't need a me first guy while the culture builds. Shifting focus away from team first could kill that growth, as well as HC and GM jobs. No established and steady coach with long term goals is going to invite this spoiled brat, his brother and his Dad into the fold. The potential for locker room cancer and back room dealings for a coaching change are just not going to fly. So, that eliminates just about everyone except for ... Hmmmm.... New York? Nope, Daboll is on the hotseat and has been there. Las Vegas? While Carrol is first year, he has experience in the league and he has handled a lot of his tenure. And if he gets pushed out by Coach Prime in a couple of years, he can slough it off as time to retire. Still, just doesn't seem right. There's really only one place I can see him moving to, where the chaos it invites is welcomed, cultivated and breathed in: Dallas. So, Sanders to the Cowboys. But not until the 5th round.

Looking better along the D-line at this moment. Really needed improvement, sure hope these two young men can be the change we need.

Welcome aboard Nic, hope you shine here man!

I think that most of the draft ups for position 8 or better will have already played out before we get to our pick. Could we trade back into the first round? Maybe...

Sprint to the podium for Tyler Warren and then don't look back. Grab defensive players for the rest of the draft after that. Don't pass up on the best player at his position and one of the best in this draft just to fit some need.

Here's the thing for me: I don't know whether we are going to stay a base 3-4 team or go back to a 4-3 team over the next two years (especially if Evero continues to not work out). That being said, if we are going to go with DL players at #8, I think we need to go with the new model DTs that are out there like this guy and Mason Graham. Strong, aggressive, fast movers. My reasoning is that they are fully capable of playing DE in a 3-4 and can move back to DT in a 4-3 set up just as easily. On the other side of the equation, there's a big difference between a 3-4 Edge guy and a 4-3 DE, making that transfer difficult. It's the Brain Burns problem: quick and long works for a 3-4 Edge but he was too light for a 4-3 DE, especially in the run defense. The fact that he was on a team transitioning between the two types of defenses meant that even after the 3-4 switch was complete, he didn't have the personnel alongside him to really hit his stride. So, if we have to go defense on the pick, make it one of the more athletic DTs in the draft, IMO.

Soooo many teams trying to trade back in this class. It's kinda been an easy to see situation with so few true blue chip players in this draft. I hope we stick at 8 and go with BPA. My preference is for Warren, but there are some very, very good players that could amazingly fall to us based on trade ups ahead or just terrible picks being made.

I think a lot of teams want to trade down and it's going to be a buyer's market. We won't get what we normally would have in past years, unless we manage to catch someone desperate like Dallas. But then again, Dallas may have other suitors even before us. We should hopefully be planning on making that pick at 8 because if there is a lot of trade traffic before us, then some very interesting players may fall out in the mad dash. Trading for the sake of trading is stupid. Calmly waiting and keenly observing what is really going on around you is wise. So yeah, there's a chance we trade the 8 pick for the number 117 pick, three flat footballs and five cases of nacho cheese sauce for the concession stand.

How 2014 ranked as high as number 12 I just don't know. Trai Turner and Tre Boston are your standouts and I'm not sure how much they'd have seen the field with other teams. Actually, we know from history the answer to that.

I've been bantering about my CMC pick for years... ya mighta noticed. We take what victories we have and run with them. Makes life better!

I'm that guy. I've been that guy. It's a fun crown to wear while running around like a fool. Beats running around like a fool, crownless, like I do most of the time.

If he's our choice, we have to rely on Evero to be able to develop a game plan to maximize his potential AND develop his skills. Right now, I just don't see that in Evero. I hope I'm wrong.

Beyond the first three picks, I think everyone wants to trade back in this draft. It is a buyer's market and the eighth pick might not have the value it once did when it comes to trades. Make the pick, take the best player on the board (Warren, imho) and just move on.

Welcome back! And it's the same here as it is every year about this time.

Look, if we end up taking Jalon, I'm not going to complain. I think at worst he's going to be a good contributor and at best a classic Panthers linebacker (and that's really something). I just look at Warren and see a unicorn guy there that is going to make some long term waves in the league and I think that because of who we have in front of us, there's a fair shot at him still being there. It's as simple as that. And no one player is going to complete this team's rehabilitation right now. Let's be honest, we've got a ways to go before "competitive" is a descriptor of the Panthers.

Our problem hasn't been swinging for the fences, it has been in identifying the pitch. We've had some of the worst talent evaluators in the game for the last seven years. The last hit we really had was CMC and then one of our genius GMs let him go for a bag of beans and a handshake. And don't get me started on Brian Burns. He was meh with a good sack celebration. A rarely used one.

We shall see in a week.

My biggest worry about a Jalon pick is that well, he'll be pretty good. And right now, we need great. We are a long ways from being fixed around here. That's why I say grab Warren if he's still there at 8. We need the biggest, no doubt, hit immediately player available at pick #8 and he is both the most likely and one of the best overall football players in the draft. Grab him and then build onto the defense. And honestly, I'm not sure any player can fix the defense as long as Evero is still calling it. I don't have any faith in his coaching right now. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not sure he could have made a working defense with Peppers, Kuechly and Gamble back there. Take the best player, don't draft for need.