lightsout

What? He has. He has been open multiple times and Bryce simply overthrows it. He's ran good routes and got open over the middle and down the sideline.

Bryce can be benched now. Nobody needs to see more Bryce. Give us Dalton, give us somebody who can give Mingo meaningful reps so we can evaluate him for next year.

Mingo looks good. Keeps getting separation deep, Bryce just can't hit the deep ball. Chark can go literally anywhere else.

Must keep: Bryce, Mingo, Luvu. Keep if reasonable: Thielen, Woods Everybody else is expendable.

Only if the return is damn good. Necas is arguably a top 6 player on his worst day. So if we're not getting back quality right now in return, no deal

I think that's a result of our system and the uptick in mistakes/inconsistency. We absolutely run a high risk/reward forecheck. Transition chances and getting off schedule with changes leads to us giving up good looks. There needs to be a message sent. Start pulling up some guys. Guys getting scratched for a few games could be the shot in the arm they need.

Here's the good thing. We are deep as far as talent. Teams would murder to have the problem we have. We can package a couple of big pieces for a starting goalie...if we are wise. We can replace the goal scoring, but we absolutely cannot survive giving up bad early goals and blowing leads instantly after we get them. We're putting amazing d in front of our net. Third fewest shots against in the league currently, worst save % in the league by our goalies collectively.

Philosophy of the HC doesn't mean you'll have a specific type of offense. We can have a defensive HC who really wants to run the ball well...who has an OC in mind that will keep balance and make us a threat throwing the ball with some variety. People get too hung up on HC philosophy. Gimme Rivera with an OC that isn't a fossil of a bygone era and I'm good

Too much consistency has created this imo. Too consistent a playoff team means guys have more minutes on their legs and more heartbreak of being close but not good enough to win it. Too many of these guys have been here playing together for a while, which has created some complacency imo. Bad team, bad time.

Just a reminder, as somebody who has lost faith in Young, he HAS played better than Trevor Lawrence did in his first 10 games. He COULD turn it around next season. But he has about 10 games next year before I'm calling for his head.

You value OL and WRs and rank them. Whoever is there and highest on your board, take. You do this for every pick after as well. We can improve the D just by getting healthy, maybe adding somebody in FA or via trade. We draft OL and WR and hop to God our next staff can develop talent from the draft

Look at Sam Howell. And most lean towards Maye being a better version of Howell.

Relax, Nicole. It's ok.

There have been a couple. One was a scramble where he got positive yards where it looked to be a sure sack. The other was early in the season where he used his shoulders to draw down a corner so he could hit the flag route. But that's about it. The rest have been "nice for a rookie" plays that yes, Gardner Minshew could physically make. I tried for 8 weeks to be very gracious to Bryce but I just can't. He doesn't look prepared. Could he improve? Certainly. But this isn't #1 overall worthy play. I knew Lawrence would figure things out. I knew Burrow would figure things out. Josh Allen. Manning. These were all guys we knew would develop into good starting QBs. Bryce ain't them.

If Bryce had one game to give us pause, I'd slow my roll. All the QBs that had rough first years had at least one game that they looked truly impressive in. Bryce has had a handful of plays across the entire season that were impressive. His average is probably something like 1-2 plays per game. Bryce has not looked good. He has not showed promise. He has shown life.signs. that's about it.

NC State has defeated a number of good NFL QBs. They're never good enough to compete nationally or even for the acc title, but they are good enough to absolutely surprise a team or two almost every year. Maye is 6'4" with a cannon. He's gonna be good on Sundays.

Or package Burns+ Bryce+ this year's 3rd for top 2 pick. If you get a bite. Gimme Maye all day. Bears will take Williams. Pats could bite. Hard reset with a prototype rookie QB.

None to go after. Best you're gonna do is kick the tires on a retread or gamble on somebody else's unproven kid that you believe in, which means we're giving up something considerable if we're serious. Unwise.

FTFY

I don't doubt he wants to win. I don't doubt that he's committed to making the Carolina Panthers a successful team and organization. I doubt he has the ability to shrug his ego off and actually achieve it. The necessary steps for him are something he currently doesn't want to do. He wants it his way. Sometimes sheer tyranny of will can get you there, but often not.

We need Bill or O'Brien specifically so Tepper learns his lesson on getting overly involved. Because those two would have us competing and wouldn't tolerate meddling ownership. Tepper needs a successful coach who can generate success for Tepper's team who will also tell him to shut the fug up. The only way to humble him, if you're able to at all. That sets us up for the future if it works because future hirings, Tepper knows when he got involved, we sucked for 7 coach changes and when he wasn't involved, we won.

It's not that points don't mean anything. But looking at that number and going "awful defense" isn't necessarily true. If a team has a good offense and gives up 26 points per game defensively, that is far worse than a team that has an offense that scores I TD per game but gives up (on average) 26 points per game. In this scenario, the bad offense team has a measurably better defense than the good offense team. Does this make sense for you?

Points per game isn't a good metric considering our offense is fuging useless and has given teams a short field the entirety of every game. The fact that they aren't dead last in opp. PPG is a statement in itself

Ejiro has sold me. He's made something out of a defense that has had health problems all year, while having the worst offense in football to boot. Thomas Brown, I'm not sure of. If he can make us respectable offensively to finish out, I'm down to bring him back for one more year, just to see. But he's got an uphill battle. On a historically awful offense, the entire staff on that side of the ball is hanging on by a spider's thread

You and me both. Sinking feeling Bill is seeing the writing on the wall. I think Tepper reaches out, gauges interest and has terms Bill will have. Bill will almost definitely say "you're not gonna get in the way of me running the football team." Tepper is gonna accept it because it Belichick. Then we're back to perpetually .500 Progress?