Waldo

If you think it can't get worse then you lack a basic imagination. There are so many ways it could still get worse.

OMFG the irony

Fire Coleman and hire a consultant to hire a new President to run the team and clean the entire house while the Teppers take a huge step back and use the new hire as their point of contact with how the team is run. It would take some time to clean all of the mess but wow they would have a lot of choices where to start: Fritters and Suleiman would be my personal 2 with the scouting department right after the draft. Tepper is so bad at hiring it's comical, just burn it all down even if it takes 2 or 3 years. If you want to really change the cultural cancers that Tepper brought in with him this is the way, top down which if you remember is how he fugged it all up.

Leaders of men never got this team past mediocre. If that is your goal then you are just choosing a better way of losing. How many leaders of men types out of the top 10 coaches in the league (not that they can't do both but the ones known for leading over actual ability)? Winning should be the culture that is built around in a team. The other stuff matters but winning should come first. Meh, DC tried that with Ron and they are still losing and that's really all Ron brings to the table. It's a dead end that is more of a feel good story then an actual good plan. Doesn't matter, if Tepper is running the team the same way next year then it's going to be the same outcome regardless. Panther fans have lost their minds in all of the bad and it shows at this point.

That house isn't big enough for those 2 egos. Can he not stay in school? Seems like a better fit with how he works with others and all I heard was some light wrist slapping punishements from the sign stealing tthing. Just asking, don't care to dive too deep into that level's drama. He is a master of creating leverage for better contracts. I don't see how this is really any difference.

Wilks in Arizona is one. They hired most of the staff and had to hire a 1 year DC to fill the HC spot. I can't remember all of the details but it was a mess. He got Rosen for a QB and was 1 and done for it. The fact Wilks took that job really lowered my opinion of him because it was such a bad move for him. Even with the money, fug that mess. He is just getting back to DC level this year after taking that job in 2018. Yikes

No one currently in the building should have any say in that except Evero. Sounds like Tepper is about to do his thing again.

Ok. Smart guy. I have liked how he has handled everything since going back to OC last year. I'm more interested in the rest of his wants. With how much money Tepper has already wasted on duds the money means nothing to me nor is it an alarming amount.

He seems like a good coach and I haven't heard anything about him being apart of the coaching drama going on in that house. Still it is so bad here that a fresh start would be welcomed. Maybe the new crew has some connections to him or could mesh well with what they want to do and how they want to do it. But that seems like a lot and this last crew had too many issues with that very thing, too little meshing and a lot of friction from it. Add in Tepper's management flaws and the tighter the crew the better because this time is an absolute mess. I'm fine with the 3-4...once they are done trying to build the D around Burns. Solid player but not that kind of player. The 49ers 4-3 would be fun but not the BS attempt they tried last year, Burns should have been on the weakside and they just didn't have that stud 4-3 end on the strong side because that isn't Bruns. I have no idea what Evero wants or would do. I do know there are more DCs out there to be had vs the offensive side where they are getting picked up sooner and sooner due to the limited availability of talent. Hell if McDermott becomes available I would love him as a DC, even if for a short time. Maybe Evero gets a shot as a HC this hiring cycle. Just handle it right and if he becomes available down the road don't have a burnt bridge between them is all I am really asking for from that process.

Get too busy elsewhere to be in that building more than 2 days a year.

The tag isn't what it used to be. Either they pay top price, let walk or make some kind of deal like a one year tag but not 2. It's absolutely not 100% in the teams control anymore. It would also be a real bad look for a new GM if it was handled poorly. Hardball after the fackaroo here wouldn't be turning it around. There is a big chance he walks because of past mistakes.

I am prepared for that and another dud HC. Tepper has to prove he is going in another dirextion for me to believe it.

I get that. At least let the new GM try to talk. Man if Fritterer stays then it's going to be big sad time. He can't let him walk given the history so it would be massively overpaying or an ugly and stupid fight.

Lol He was the one that cut off negotiations. I would be happy with anything for him but I'm prepared to watch him walk. Maybe they can pitch a one tag and no more type deal. I wouldn't get my hopes up, he wanted to be paid long ago.

He would be the first pink slip for a new HC and GM. Just clean house and try again. Forcing any of the current people on the new staff would be a huge fail because they are supposed to be running the show and not more of the usual mess.

It's the Rhule year 2 D all over, 2021. Neither were good Ds just low yards and a lot of points. It was only 2 years ago but people forget how that turned out the year after that blip, hint 22 in yards and 19 in scoring. This is the same deal. Hell Rhule hit #2 lol.

At worst 1 year. A new GM would probably rescind the tag then have that poo show on his hands. Easier to just blame Fritterer and just move on. That milk was already spilt even now. How to create a terrible image at a new job would be a public fight that some other idiot was already losing.

I would be shocked if the tag works with Burns. His best play is to wait it out and then sign a prove it deal with a contender to raise his value on a better team. Fritterer already messed up twice with Burns so I don't see him allowing a tag and trade at this point. Playing here for a year already cratered his value so WTF would he sign up to do that again when they are facing a large rebuild process...or more of the same BS. Get ready to watch him walk for noting. Fritterer already screwed the pooch on this one way to hard. I still can't believe people were asking to give this guy a shot after the quality of work he did for years here. Yes man or just an idiot, same difference.

Even if they could find talent they couldn't coach them up. And we have a name, Horn. It's all failure.

He is a running backs coach with an OC title. The OC was supposed to be Frank who was training this guy. If they let him pick the QB then they deserve what they got.

Give me more time and more good decisions. They also have Watson too. I would rather lean towards a more established show and with better personnel connections. A new GM would also be getting a new HC and that package from Cleveland is nothing I really want yet.

I'm not a fan of going to Cleveland looking for talent. Not yet. If he is still going for the big splash that is extremally concerning. It's only been 6 years but he has chewed through some volume for that time. Every hire is going to have a big price tag now but if he is still looking to wow people and not just do better than damn that really stinks.

Yup. And then what else can he ask for? That crew made it out of our kind of mess. I would be great to get someone familiar with the process.

The only way a high quality prospect like that would come here is a massive contract, a deal where they get everything they want control wise and the ability to do whatever they want with the team. I have a hard time seeing Tepper allow that let alone let it happen without fugging it up.

If they let an OC with training wheels pick their QB or Tepper took his advice over Frank then that's a terrible situation to be in. I didn't mean to come off like he is the victim in the long list of crap done by this crew. Hell, he could have been one of the guys with knives in the Rhule firing. Just unknown for now. If it's worst case scenario then fug him but I can't prove more than his playbook stinks and he has crap taste in QBs. He was absolutely another very inexperienced up and coming guy on a poorly run team that was not protected from himself. He was a freaking RBs coach, who TF let that guy run point on the QB choice? The playbook is on Frank. He was the mentor, yeah they wrote it together but who was responsible for helping him make it work? The guy who was the HC and was going to call the plays to begin with.