Jay Roosevelt

No QB ever has had Cam's swagger. This is what I'm talking about; people want Bryce to be Cam. He's not. He's not a similar personality type or a similar player type, and it has far too many people here seeing red.

C.J. has made throws Bryce hasn't been allowed to attempt yet. There's a difference.

"That ain't how we did it back in the 90s, kid."

Doesn't matter. He's not Cam so we should hate him.

I've never seen such hate towards a player before. It's worse than the anti-Cam folks used to be.

The "wine and cheese" crowd are about the only ones who can afford to go at this point.

No, he really didn't. You guys act like Dalton looked like prime Peyton Manning. Bryce could put up 500 yards + 4 TDs and you guys are going to hate him regardless because he's not Cam Newton.

Dalton threw the ball 58 times in Seattle; Bryce threw it 32 times against the Vikings and had a higher YPC. And Reich clearly opened the playbook up for Dalton while trying to continue to handcuff Bryce.

Cam didn't have Jordan Gross for 1 year; he had him for his first 3 years. And it's not just left tackle; Cam had one of the best OLs we've ever assembled in 2015; certainly the best interior OL we've ever had with Turner-Kalil-Norwell, even if the tackles were exposed in the Super Bowl. Obviously Cam had times when he was surrounded by little talent (particularly WR) but there's no comparison to what Cam had to work with as a rookie and what Bryce has now. And that's without even touching the coaching/playcalling. Again, this is just plain wrong. Bryce has a plenty good enough arm to make NFL throws. All you have to do is watch him at Alabama; arm strength is about the only thing you can translate almost directly from college to the pros just by watching a QB play. I guarantee you they did not draft a QB #1 overall who can't throw past 10 yards. You think we were the only team that had Bryce as QB1? He was projected as a top-3 QB by practically everyone; you think that happens if his arm is so weak he can only throw screen passes? That's insanity. You guys are mistaking Reich's shitty conservative playcalling for Bryce having a weak arm. Again, is it Cam's arm? No. Josh Allen's arm? Clearly not. But those guys are anomalies and it's not common - nor is it required - for a top NFL QB to have that type of arm strength.

Y'all are equating small size with a weak arm. Bryce does not have a weak arm. Was Cam's arm stronger? Of course. But most NFL QBs don't have an arm as strong as Cam's was. If Bryce Young fails in the NFL it won't be because his arm is too weak.

Given the same personnel around him and the same play calls, almost all of them.

I wanted him because I thought he was the best prospect. I'm no Alabama fan. I still think he was the best prospect. Frankly, I think a lot of people here are holding his size against him for no good reason other than he's not the 6'5, 250lb specimen Cam was. This thread asks how many of those throws Bryce could make; a better question is how many throws like that Cam would make if you put him in the mess Bryce has been thrown into. Cam had a solid OL, Williams/Stewart at RB, Steve Smith at WR, Greg Olsen and Jeremy Shockey at TE and an offensive coordinator who was looking to be aggressive and throw downfield. Bryce has Frank "remember the 90s" Reich calling plays, Chandler Zavala shitting the bed at one guard spot and some random waiver wire pickup at the other, one reliable receiver who also happens to be 33 years old, absolutely zero running game and an invisible TE group to throw to. But go ahead and keep being mad because he's not able to replicate one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time.

Cam is gone, guys. Stop hating Bryce because he's not Cam.

Damn copyright nazis.

Oh, and D.J. Johnson too. His PFF grade has me curious.

Anything on YGM and the interior OL you can do would be great. Thanks. I'm sure you're already going to be taking a look at the playcalling on offense.

Why the hell haven't we signed a veteran guard by now?

D.J. Johnson making the list (the good one) is a nice surprise.

I was one of the earliest Cam supporters on this board (different screen name) and was on the Bryce train from early on. I still remember all the people here who thought we had screwed up big time by drafting Cam #1 overall. I also remember many of those same people turning on him in 2012 when he struggled to start the year. I see a lot of similarities between those people then and the anti-Bryce crowd now. People remember how good Cam's rookie year was, but tend to forget the struggles in year 2 and how many people were ready to jump ship them.

Easily, and it's having a ripple effect across the entire offense. There's no good reason for them not to have brought in a veteran at this point. Even Throckmorton is playing better than Zavala.

God, you guys are dense. There's nothing wrong with his arm.

Step off the ledge, guys. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I feel like we're watching a Dan Henning offense without Steve Smith.

Confirms my thoughts while watching the game. Those that are saying the offense needs to be streamlined for Bryce are missing the forest for the trees. The exact opposite is true; Reich needs to open the playbook up for Bryce and stop handling him with kid gloves.

There's not a QB in the league who interior pressure doesn't effect that way. Does it affect shorter QBs more? Probably, but no QB is going to be able to overcome consistent pressure from the interior DL. As Wonnum said, that kind of interior pressure makes the edge that much harder to defend. Look at Drew Brees; during his best years he had arguably the best pair of guards in the game during. Jhari Evans and Carl Nicks, then Ben Grubbs replaced Nicks. They knew how important it was to keep that interior pressure to a minimum. We've got waiver wire scraps and a 4th round rookie (who may be playing as poorly as any rookie in the league right now) at both our guard spots. That's been a far bigger problem for us than I think most people realize.