Basbear

Sorry that I have not followed the NBA like years ago. Just felt like even form afar, its a good time to part ways with Ball. Miller seems ready and willing. Ball should still have enough value for a good offer as well. I box-score watch them off and on, seeing DNP over the last two years next to him followed along with weak lines when healthy(he did have one GREAT week of numbers). I can not pin point the time, just feels like Ball is no longer the guy to lead the hornets into future success. Is this wrong?

That's true, the trade part not the rank. He had MVP type year.... (it was a down year for all) look at his stats and he is a perfect fit for shanny's system. Just add him to your long list of rhule-like takes about QBs.Lololoolols It is painful with that dash of 2023 truth.. Us panther fans are addicted to painful broken heart stuff. It was my only "byce young bad" thread and he did have that one good quarter and that that one good throw!!!11!1!!

even the green rookies and look where CJ is... oooOf, the league has no respect for young.

would anyone protest if they traded ball for __________ and turned the team over to miller ??

I thought it was in reference to fantasy football as well. It's too easy to clip bait these days.

there was a report days AFTER stating it was cause of a injury to a panther player. just about everyone claimed BS.

I bet he wants 8+ million AND a team with a playoff roster. Dan should just look at other options, including future cuts.

Devin pulled a hamstring while signing the contract..

Yes its against the rules to have a discussion, once you pick a side you are all-in and have to defend wrong.........I hate thats the way it is in the good OLD USA..... Tepper put this on us fans. I can not believe the Panthers would have been 100% better off if they just kept Rivera and fuging Marty herniay.

It should be a 400,000-100,000 SB with vet min type deal is my guess. Here is what philly signed him for and he had a meh year- "Rashaad Penny signed a It shoult 1 year , $1,350,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including $100,000 signing bonus, $600,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,350,000."

Most guys signing after the draft are on minium type deals at best. Most time the guarantee is the issue. My guess would be 320,000 signing bonus along with vet min.

If that is true, then one more time.....SHould have kept RIvera as well, even if it was time. The whole point was to bring the Panthers into more modern system. Choosing RHule was the first huge mistake, cause he wanted to do was 90s stuff as well.......then fire the one coach that was passing orientate, the next big mistake. Wilks just looked at what they did well and got rid of the other plays..... and he went 6-6 and should have made the playoffs if not for the choke job. I didn't want rhule AT ALL and wasn't on the wilks wragon either. Shane Steichen was my only pick, but he didn't zoom well or whatever that means. He is a 10x better QB coach than candy man. The issue is that 90s era ball can still win games and there's a good chance its the best way for the Panthers to win. The rams and 49ers have gotten picked clean, might as well give Matt Nagy another shot after next year...... The defenses have caught up, scoring was down this past year across the league.

there was no benefit to cutting boz, bell, and Hurst......but Dan did it. Honestly I was shocked, he must have hated having them as Panthers. He should have kept them on as backups for at least this year. If they didn't agree, well take a massive pay cut in order to be cut or enjoy the bench. Turtle and sanders somehow missed this.

holy mogged!!

I think he was 6th in yards and 2nd in average and he's got decent hands. Good 3rd down and top of mark returner. He should have a similar impact on new returns as well. I think he's a little more than a JAG. He's had a home on the Panthers for 3yrs and fought off players during.

Then don't give him 180 with 100 mill in guarantees. In truth it was a 100 million smokescreen, LOLOOLololololol!! There a new report of cousins leaving the Vikings cause no matter what they were planning on drafting a early QB. It's one big mess, watch if he struggles out the gate, it will split the locker room and fans for to play penix instead.

You forgot Blackshear, he was resigned with the new KO rule in mind. 5 is just too many. Maybe penny is just injury insurance, still odd signing.

The 5th year allows tons of leverage when it comes to new contract talks. It's like having 20% more control of a contract. It allows cheaper numbers, cause well you have that 5years compared to 4. Plus you also have 6th, 7th, and 8th(I think) tagged years. Sure the QB doesn't play on it, but it allows teams to lower their offers given the years of control. The deal with penix is he's also old too, so that 3rd year he's going to be 26/7 unlike 23. You are also looking at the best side that penix can play and needs a new contract. It could easily be he's a bust and thus wasted this important era. The failcons should be comfy in the playoffs barring injuries. Now they missed on adding a edge making a key sack in the playoffs, to having spend the 8th overall on josh Rosen. Honestly they should have drafted Rome Odunze. Pitts, Robinson, Allgeier, London, with a *healthy cousins.....that's 5/6 big problems for defenses. Most days they'd be able to drop 40. Im super happy they didn't, but ask again in 3 years and I may regret.....

Trying to regain my sarcasm credit.

Looks like a raw college WR to me, some plays looks like hes got issues just running. Hope fans give him time, like they never do. I think JC horn will get him ready for NFL CBs

Dan must have truly wanted to draft around the 150 area in the 5th. Seems he traded for dang near all the picks around there.

If you only count this past year and take age out of grade, its possible XL is among the top 3. But come on, this is silly......next thing you'll here is brooks was #1 RB on some ramdo ex-scout ranking....

slow long speed along and no one seen him against good CBs. He still has other traits that many successful WRs carry. He's got elite 10 yard speed and vert. Also seems to be a great route runner. He's got NO issues for drops, I think hes only had two for the whole season. Great hands, but those balls were creampuffs.