ForJimmy

Yep and Carter only played edge for one year and isn’t good vs the run

It’s definitely a bad draft for top end talent. Which is why trade ups won’t fetch what they normally would.

Is Jeanty better than Hampton? Warren better than Loveland. Warren only showed production one year, Jeanty played weak competition and looked average in the playoffs. I’m just saying they all have flags.

And if these scouts have several positional players with close grades like people are claiming?

Normally yeah but I’m not sure there is a “surest thing” at pick 8 in this bad draft. They all seem pretty flawed.

There are always going to be some great players even in the middle rounds that teams missed or looked over. I don’t think that changes much. Sometimes the right players land in the right spots and make other teams look dumb.

One pick is easier to miss than 2 or 3 is the thought process there. Yeah you have to assume they will figure it out and if they can’t there is no need to worry about moving up down or staying in place. We would just need to worry about who would replace them.

I understand that but I’m just saying this draft is pretty bad all around. Pick 8 isn’t much better than a later 1st unless one of the very few blue chippers fall. You have to assume they make decent picks to some degree, if not then there is no need to worry about any of it. If we are that bad at drafting we can easily screw up pick 8 as bad as pick 15 plus an additional 2nd.

We’ve been teary eyed for a loooong time. If we honestly think our staff can’t evaluate talent then who cares if we trade down? More odds to simply get lucky right? Even a pessimistic view agrees with this….

Agreed. It’s a weird draft. Not a great one for top 10 picks…

I’d love this. If we could add a FS (maybe the Virginia guy) and sign Blackmon our roster would feel so much more complete.

Except the high picks this year are almost all mid to late picks in most drafts. Ward is what QB4 last year? Hunter and Graham seem solid, but outside of that the LSU OT might be an OG, Jeanty played in a weak division and isn’t much better than Hampton, Carter looks good but only played edge one season and is weak against the run, Walker is undersized and has one year of good production, you could go on and on. We just saw us with pick 1 two drafts ago.

True but I think people heard at a discount and ran with it. 6 teams in the top 10 are wanting to trade back. I think we mentioned ours could be had at a discount to get some conversations started. We should still get decent value despite the top 10 sucking outside of a couple players.

I don’t think a 2nd is off the table. Moving into the top 10 usually requires a good bit of capital but this top 10 is just not that great.

What were his off field concerns? What you are saying makes sense. There has to be something more than just not wanting to pay his 5th year option.

I kind of like Starks in a trade back

Trade up and they will cry, trade down they will cry, don’t draft the exact player they want and they will cry. These people are gluttons for punishment following a team like this…

The conversation about a tweet that hasn’t even happened went to our GM getting fired. Yes I get it was a cumulative series of events, but still a silly overreaction. We went from 2 to 6 wins and were trending up at season end yet we don’t like the idea of a trade down that hasn’t even happened so we are back to getting him poo canned. Yeah no overreaction here at all…. Who said it would just be middle round picks? It just wouldn’t be the same value in a draft where there is a big drop off but I’d assume 1st and 2nd round picks could be involved depending on how far down we trade.

This draft is middle heavy with talent. I need you to understand this. This makes those middle picks more valuable. If they are more valuable than normal then you don't get the same return on them as previous years. So yes they are trying to get more of those picks because we have a lot of needs. I've never seen so much overreaction from a simple tweet that may or may not even happen. Now we are on Morgan getting fired.... lol

It's not trading back just to trade back. Why do you think more teams want to trade back? There isn't much talent gap after a select few. We are a team that definitely needs talent. If we can get two 8.5 players vs one 8.8 then you do it. JPJ later in the first vs Mykel Williams at 8 isn't much of a drop off for example. They aren't just doing it to do it. They are doing it to fill multiple needs. The difference is in this particular draft is middle heavy so those picks are holding more value than normal. Come on man I know you understand this and are just wanting to do your whole grumpy persona thing you do on here....

That’s crazy to me. I feel like Graham is one of the few blue chip players.

Yeah I agree. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp...

Supply and demand. If more teams are wanting to trade back than trade up then the value of a trade up drops.

It's all about our big board. If pick 6-100 have a small variance then you take the more picks. That's why many teams want to trade back and less are wanting to trade up in this draft. Obviously if you are sold on one player like you are suggesting you just take him, I just have the feeling we are sold on any of them yet. They all have some red flags.

Oh know I think the drop off is much higher than mid 1st. It probably starts before our pick. Carter, Hunter, and Graham seem like the blue chip players to me. So why pick a Walker/Mykel at 8 when you get get two players with a similar rating on your big board like Nolen or Starks for the same value. Basically get two for one. The question is who would want to trade up? If a player like Jeanty is there (we can't afford to take a RB at 8 ) or a QB like Sanders is there and a team is high on him they could probably get there QB for less than in a normal draft.