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After scanning this post and several other comments by Huddlers all over this forum, there are times when I really think some of us could actually be of great assistance to the franchise if we were on the Carolina Panther payroll.

I see it differently. A player drafted in the top 64 draft choice for a rebuilding club with a new HC needs to be a difference maker. If he were a 4th rounder (or even a late 3rd rounder) his production wouldn't concern me as much. Based on his production so far, YGM appears to be a JAG. If we lost him, I think we could replace him with a later round draft choice in the next year or two and not miss a beat.

Cam got hurt that season year and didn't play after the 2nd game. Kyle Allen started 12 games for us and went 5-7. We lost our last 8 games. That wouldn't have happened with a healthy Cam.

If we knew for sure that we were going to get a good coach to replace Rhule; and also knew that the FO could get good compensation and turn those picks into solid starter for a new regime, then I could support moving Christian. But, I have no faith in Tepper and/or Scott F. to pick a successful next coach, especially if they opt for another "defensive minded coach". I also have no faith in the FO to pick the right players if we got a good haul from moving CMAC. Our draft classes haven't been stellar the past 3 years. We've passed on a lot of talent during our efforts to manipulate the draft board and accumulate picks. I still think we can win with the talent we have if we could get a QB, one or two more draft picks to fill some holes, and someone who knew how to put the guys already on the roster in the best position/role to optimize their natural abilities. I think the coach/GM combo could add solid starters with our 1,2,and 3 picks in next years draft to what we have and challenge for a division title since this is probably Brady's last year in Tampa.

I may get reamed for this, but I wouldn't want Stroud. He plays at Ohio State. Those guys always flame out in the the NFL.

Despite the lack of FA, the Steelers still showed steady improvement each year during Noll's first three seasons. 1969: 1-13 1970: 5-9 1971: 6-8 The next season they made the playoffs with a 11-3 record in 1972 and wouldn't miss the playoffs for the rest of the decade. Our offense is getting worse each year under Rhule. He appears to have idea how to choose a good OC or competently pick a QB to run a modern day offense in the NFL.

Not really sweating about the loss of the 6th and 7th round picks. It would be nice to have a 3 since that appears to be a top 100 choice next year. I am concerned about that cap figure. Are we really $20 mil over the cap? I don’t see how hats possible with the roster we have.

I wouldn't trade either guy. They could be really useful to a young rookie entering the league if we could get a solid prospect in next year's draft. Now, if they demanded a trade and I could get good compensation that's another matter. If we had a good head coach and a competent OC and QB, we'd compete for a while card spot in 2023...and possibly a division title now that Brady is in his last year.

Arizona is whipping us and Kyler doesn't even have DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green on the field today. This would probably be a massive rout if Arizona was at full strength.

PJ Sucks! But he can't be any worse than Baker has been today. PJ's passes may end up in the wrong receiver's hand ( or in the dirt), but at least he'd be able to get the pass off without it getting knocked down at the line of scrimmage.

What's wrong with you guys? Can't you see that the process is working?

I wasn't overly upset when Ron was let go, but in his defense, Cam was hurt the final two years he was at Carolina so he had to play most of those seasons with back-up QB's. Tepper didn't even let him finish the season. Ron was dismissed with 4 games left to go. And what do we have to show for it? The new hire is the least popular HC we've ever had.

You did. I posted this last week. Its an article 2017 season (2018 playoff game) https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-owners-reportedly-lobbying-art-rooney-to-fire-mike-tomlin-after-playoff-debacle/ Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported Tuesday that he's hearing "some of the team's limited partners intend to lobby owner Art Rooney to fire of Tomlin and to hire a new coach." To be clear: These members of ownership, who bought into the team about a decade ago, do not have the authority to hire or fire anyone or to make any sort of management decisions. They are minority owners without a controlling interest; Florio lists "Rob Citrone, Paul Evanson, Larry Paul, Stephen Paul, Bruce Rauner, Paul Sams, John Stallworth, Benjamin Statler, Scott Swank, David Tepper, Thomas Tull, Peter Varischetti, and Mike Wilkins" as names involved.

I was so happy when we passed on him. He seems like a good kid and I would like to see him improve his game, but I wasn't overly impressed with him coming out. He also has one more almost insurmountable thing going against him...he's from Ohio State...and all of their QB's tend to suck in the NFL.

No doubt in my mind that we would have lost today if he didn't play in the game.

We'd be in really good shape if we had not gone for two points on our last TD.

Last season I saw/read a story that said DB's around the league could tell what we were doing in the passing game. That could be why we had so much difficulty in the 2nd half, especially in the 3rd quarter. Teams figured out what was coming and the DC's would call plays to neutralize the offense.

Our "defense first" philosophy has never won a championship. Our defensive coaches can't even post back to back winning seasons. Look at some of the defensive coaches that have won SB's Tom Landry (Staubach), Chuck Knoll (Bradshaw), Bill Belichik (Brady), Mike Tomlin (Big Ben), Tony Dungy (Manning), Jimmy Johnson (Aikman), They all had quarterback who could light up a score board. They wouldn't have won anything with the QB's and/or offensive schemes we've put on the field the past seasons. Defense does win you championships as long as you have an offense that can outscore the other team. In today's NFL I'd rather have a great offense and middle of the road defense than vice versa.

As some one said earlier, we just need to hit the right HC/GM combo. It was a bad idea to keep Hurney after Rivera was let go. Tepper should have hired a GM and worked with him to get a coach to properly launch the next era of Panther football. Tepper got rid of the arguably the best coach we ever had (Ron Rivera); and kept a previously fired GM who promptly hired the arguably the worst coach we've ever had (Matt Rule). He then got rid of Hurney and let the Rhule influence the hiring of the current GM. And, as the podcast stated "they're not on the same page." I wouldn't be in a rush to trade any of our good pieces on offense (CMAC or DJ). If we hit on a young (and inexpensive) QB he's going to need guys like them to help him out on the field. What we need is a offensive minded coach who understands how to effectively use the pieces he has, draft wisely, and knows how to game plan and make adjustments on Sundays.

The NFL has significantly changed since I was kid. The current game is heavily tilted in favor of the offense. I agree with you on the need to try something different and break the defensive HC cycle. The Panthers have been a NFL franchise for over 25 years and still haven't posted back to back winning seasons. I think we would break that trend if we had a coach who specialized in outscoring opponents instead of relying on a strong running game and stingy defense to win week in and week out.

Check out this article I remember reading during the 2017 season. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-owners-reportedly-lobbying-art-rooney-to-fire-mike-tomlin-after-playoff-debacle/ Sunday afternoon was not the highest point of Mike Tomlin's coaching career. Losing 45-42 to the Jaguars in an AFC divisional round game is bad enough just on the surface, but digging deeper it's not hard to find multiple instances of the Steelers being outcoached by the Jags and unprepared for certain scenarios. And now some Steelers minority owners are reportedly getting in Art Rooney's ear about firing Tomlin over the game. Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported Tuesday that he's hearing "some of the team's limited partners intend to lobby owner Art Rooney to fire of Tomlin and to hire a new coach." Florio lists "Rob Citrone, Paul Evanson, Larry Paul, Stephen Paul, Bruce Rauner, Paul Sams, John Stallworth, Benjamin Statler, Scott Swank, David Tepper, Thomas Tull, Peter Varischetti, and Mike Wilkins" as names involved. ------ Tomlin isn't a perfect coach. 1) He does have some head-scratching losses on his resume (His Steeler teams seems to play down to the level of their competition at times). 2) He seems to have difficulties at times with clock management in crucial moments. But he's has taken the Steelers to 2 Superbowls (1-1 record), several playoff appearances, and has never had a losing record since replacing Bill Cowher. Tepper and fellow minority owners wanted to fire Tomlin after a playoff loss! As a full owner he seems hesitant to get rid of Rule who can't even get to a .500 record (10-25), or past 5 wins a season for that matter. The team has lost 9 games in a row and shows no signs of improving or competing for a playoff spot in the near future.

I see nothing wrong if such a scenario takes place in order for both gentlemen to save face. The Panther community needs to see a new coach on the sidelines in 2023. As long as that happens it doesn't matter how Mr. Rhule leaves the team.

This is for you and Sgt. Schultz

There's aquote by former NFL head coach Bill Parcells that says, "You are what your record says you are. Under Rhule for the past two seasons we have been a 5 win team, which is what we were in Rivera's last year with the team. So no, we haven't shown ANY IMPROVEMENT where it matters...on the won/lost record