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Dude got his shot and was paid well, performed poorly (though exactly in line with his past performance), called his coaches out in public, got some frank candor back in public, and is getting replaced. It's possible there is more behind the scenes and perhaps he wasn't treated fairly but it doesn't appear that way, and any behind the scenes stuff could be him behaving poorly as well. This outcome appears a direct result of his own play and conduct and if he's pissed about that then it's just more deflection and external locus of control.

Is he the new Dorial Green Beckham and/or Duron Carter?

Majority of the salary is now a sunk cost (to what degree is variable across a spectrum), so the decision comes down to what the team values for that sunk cost. If they place higher value on the roster spot/flexibility in having other players potentially see the field/etc then that's what they're buying with the cost associated with the decision to cut/trade. If they place higher value on having Teddy on the roster for X/Y/Z reason(s) then that's what they're buying with the sunk cost of the decision to retain. My opinion is that while neither is optimal the team is better off in the former scenario, but there is a long time to go between now and the season. Teddy's presence itself is binary amongst the spectrum of possible financial outcomes. At this point the team seems fine with possibly being without Teddy even if, at a minimum, a good portion of the salary remains. It stands to reason they are leaning toward the former option rather than the latter, supported by the comments at the end of the season and start of the offseason.

I laughed. That's a 180 from earlier this offseason.

I've not pretended to know the prior times you trotted out this schtick and now is no different. Between the Darnold trade and all the comments to the media, both at the end of last year and about seeking a trade, there's a lot of writing on the wall and the message is pretty clear.

I bet there'd be plenty of teams that would have TB as a backup for backup money but yeah, no one is eagerly awaiting offering him a starter job.

You're rather patronizing for someone who has been pretty wrong about Teddy thus far. About that article - Jake isn't one to badmouth and is the team's radio analyst (or one of them), and Steve is an announcer with skin in the game. They aren't going to voice contrary opinions. Jake said Teddy was 'pressing', which is hilarious since he was even less bold as the season went on, and Beuerlein threw out the 'new system' card even though the corporate line was that Teddy had a valuable advantage in learning the system since he was with Brady in NO. They also both played the 'needs more weapons' cliche, which was nonsense last year. It's the QB coach's job to coach and Teddy may or may not have anything to offer. Given the friction that showed between Teddy and the staff he may not have been fully 'as advertised' off the field when things got tough. I also personally don't want a guy as a 'mentor' who has shown zero development after 7 years in the NFL. As I said, maybe (a big one) if a rookie was coming in, but that's not the case. With respect to evaluation Walker was 1-0 in his start and pushed the ball better than Teddy ever did. Future starter? Likely not, but possibly a better fit as a backup and certainly cheaper in the future. Teddy's salary is a sunk cost either way so if the backups were good enough last year, why not this year? Teddy has no upside and no future here, and the team is clearly moving on as they should.

I daresay that Teddy has no place on the current roster, particularly since the Darnold trade. Darnold needs to play for evaluation purposes, and if Darnold gets hurt then the team would seemingly benefit more from evaluating the backups (I'm assuming Walker and Grier) for the future. Might be different if the team had a rookie but at this point Teddy is a known-quantity expensive backup whom the team has already signaled has no future in Carolina and who would be taking snaps from players whom the team would be better off seeing on the field. That said, maybe the team will prioritize the potential 0.1-0.4 win % that backup Teddy could represent over the odds the other guys in that backup role might bring. I don't agree with that but is is a possibility and IMO the scenario where keeping him makes any real type of sense.

"He’s been a winner everywhere he’s been, and I think the guy’s a really good quarterback." Alrighty then.

Which is an interesting choice given their offensive skill players. At this point in time Teddy seems like he would hamstring them, but maybe they're shifting philosophy (but even then...).

I don't normally give the poo but this is its time to shine.

Put a marketing spin on it - we're looking for 'value'.

Teddy and Cam on the same roster... interesting dynamic there.

Fair enough on the timing but no one is trading for Teddy and expecting to contend, and especially with no offseason in the system, and no one else is taking that contract to be average. The point about restructuring remains the same and the only motivation he would have to restructure is if it somehow made a trade to a team where he could start more palatable, but I'll be very surprised if another team makes the same boneheaded move that Carolina made with him last year... not gonna pay tens of millions to be average or worse.

Keeping more of his salary on the books and eating a roster spot is the exact opposite of what the team should be doing at this point. Darnold is going to be playing, if only to show what he has, and they were cool rolling with Walker and Grier last year, so they should do that again. No one is going to trade for Teddy in-season and expect to keep winning since he would have little to no insight into their system and he just isn't very good. If he isn't worth anything now they will cut him.

By all means, please trade him within the division.

I actually started him as a streamer that week. Was only expecting that he'd get like 12 garbage time points... oops.

Given Rhule's talk of winning culture I assume they'd look to unseat a player who had failed so notably for nearly an entire season. No surprise if he felt they had to do 'something' even if we pretend the comments didn't happen.

It will say more about the quality of their roster, and if that happened they will inevitably lose in the wild card or divisional yet again. They couldn't get over the hump with Brees, so what is Teddy gonna do?

Darnold at least has some tools to work with and some circumstances that make him more of an unknown. Teddy pretty clearly hit his ceiling as soon as he came into the NFL. Darnold should at least be more entertaining, either in 'winning games' fashion or 'losing with style' fashion. Either way, I'll give the FO some credit for taking action. Here's hoping it turns out well.

Only as long as they make every kicker wear 99 and every punter wear 72.

I was saying that ironically and agree with you on the whole. The value of QBs is at an all time high right now and there's not much the team can do about that but to have a guy like Jones suddenly elevate to the top doesn't seem to end well when it happens.

I do like how from forever it's been the 'Top 4', but in the past week or two has turned into the 'Top 5'.

Exactly. The issue comes in when such a QB is also unable to drive the ball down the field. Mahomes (an extreme example chosen to highlight the point) gets a lot of passing yards like this, but there is zero question about if he can also drive it down the field.

Brings me back to my original question though - who were they so concerned about taking Jones before the 12th pick?