BrianS

Take that 40 time with a HUGE grain of salt. Dude was project to run 4.5 to 4.6 at his pro day and was not invited to the Combine last year. Obviously, zero down side for us. If he works out, great! If not, great!

I see this said all the time and it's still not realistic. Who is going to trade up and why? You only go up that high if you're chasing a QB. If there's a QB there, we're taking him. If not, there is nothing to attract offers. Trading down is a scenario generated by other teams, not by the Panthers.

That's not relevant at all. In the case of ATL, they have a very old QB on the books, and a very expensive QB at that. Draft Trey Lance, give Matt Ryan a year to teach and then cut. Poof. Trey Lance gets the time he needs and Atlanta get the QB they will need within the next couple years. For Detroit, it's harder to pinpoint. Yes, they have Goff, but do they believe in him? I'm not sure they do. As a Panthers fan, I certainly *hope* they do, but there are a lot of question marks around Goff. Once again, same rule applies. They can have their current QB teach for a year or even two, and then cut ties. Fields as a regional player or Lance as a developmental player would go down well in the Motor City.

*IF* all of the "Jones to the 49'ers" smoke is actually a fire and it happens, the draft would suddenly become super interesting. I still think Atlanta takes their QB of the future, but it at least gives us some hope that one of those guys drops. Detroit also scares me.

If Fields asks for it, sure. 51 is the only number I'm *sure* is retired. I believe there is an unspoken, unwritten agreement that 89 and 90 don't go out. I expect we'll see the same with 59. I suspect the Panthers will hand out #1 if we draft Fields and if Fields asks for it. The split was not handled super well, and it's still pretty new. With the bevy of advisors that draft picks have these days, I expect that Fields will be advised to contact Cam in order to prevent an all out fiasco. I expect Cam will bless the request and we'll all move on.

Agree. They could have stayed at 12 and got Jones if he was their guy. Don't get me wrong, I'm *THRILLED* as a Panthers fan if the 49'ers take Jones. Over the moon. Makes it that much more likely one of the actual first round QB's falls to us.

It wasn't his best game, yet they still put up 42 points and won. Threw for 300 yards and two TD's, ran for another. I mean, ok, I'd take that as a worst game over . . . pretty much anything a Panthers QB has done since 2018.

LOL. "underperformed massively"?!?!?!? In what way did he underperform massively. He led his team to an undefeated season up until the National Championship game - two years in a row! This year he's at 22 TD vs 6 INT's, 70% completion rate over eight games. Last year 41 TD's vs 3 INT's at 67% passing. Even in the Bama game, did you watch it? His line did him ZERO favors, his receivers were dropping the ball left and right, and the defense crapped the bed. You can't ask any team to put up 53 points against St Nick's defense. He's a good player, who is . . . wait for it . . . 20 - 2. He has ONLY ever lost in the NC game. Yes, last year's NC game he has to shoulder some blame for that. But not this year. NC game winners average giving up 19 points. Fields put up 24; something only two other teams all year did against Bama. I don't love Fields like I do Lawrence and Wilson, but he's easily the third best QB in this draft. I would be THRILLED if we someone landed him.

He is . . . but a good FO will get him a weapon in round two and put a franchise LT on his blind side in round one. Good receivers are much easier to come by than franchise LT's. Then again, we are talking Cincy, so anything is possible. Agree, 100%. No way they moved up to get Jones, it makes absolutely no sense.

So wait. We know what Minshew is despite the fact he only has two seasons under his belt, but we aren't sure about Darnold who has three? Please allow me to remind you that over the last two seasons, the Jags have won exactly seven games. All of them with Minshew under center. They are 7 - 13 under Minshew, which is not wonderful. They are 0 - 12 under every other QB. Math it up for me. Why is Darnold more attractive? Yes, higher draft pick. Is it TD:INT? Nope, that's Minshew by a MILE. Is it completion percentage? Again, Minshew. TD%? Minshew. INT%? Minshew. Yards per game? Minshew. Pound for pound, both have been on awful teams with Minshew showing the ability to actual lead the team. In 20 games, he's got four game winning drives with no talent around him. And Garopollo? Better than both of them, by a mile. The only knock on Garopollo (and it's a big one) is that he can't stay healthy. The one year he's healthy Jimmy G went 13-3 with four game winning drives.

He will not be. The Bengals are a lock to take him. They've got a QB there, and just spent part of a season with him on IR because they didn't protect him.

We blew that! There is literally no way one of the big four fall to us at 8, and no way we can really go up with out giving away our draft for years. All four could easily be gone in the first four picks! Our best case now is in the Trask / Mond / Newman category.

Because the FO blew it in FA this year. I'd be much more excited to watch a team with "Jake Delhomme" (Minshew) than Alex Smith (Bridgewater). I want to see DJ Moore and Robby Anderson get a chance to go deep and actually use their speed. Bridgewater got 15 games to show us he could do that and we saw nothing. Even if we bring in Minshew and he doesn't start, he's still better than PJ Walker and Will Grier. What if we draft a QB? Well, what if we do?!?!? Now your QB room is rookie, Minshew and Bridgewater. There is literally NO DOWNSIDE to bringing him in for the right price. None!

I don't have it in my heart to really care what the players think. Find a different occupation if you don't like the NFL. However, as a fan, I'm concerned. We already see instances nearly every year where end of season games don't mean anything and starters are rested. With more games, I can see even more instances of "Oh, this game doesn't matter, send in the scrubs" That's where things get into weird territory. Teams heading for a high pick run up against teams coasting to the finish line and it screws with the draft. Permutations like that definitely concern me.

Our FO kinda poo the bed with Deshaun Watson tbh. It's like no one there ever thought "Hey, what if we don't get him?" Assume that the allegations never happened . . . we were still not the team with the best available package. As a fan base, we kept trying to tell ourselves we could do it, but realistically, both the Jets and the Dolphins were in MUCH better position. With all their focus on Watson, they never looked at lower tier players. Players like Trubisky and Mariota signed for peanuts elsewhere, and frankly would have been a lot more exciting than TB5. So now were in the position of having to give up value just so we can go in to next season with someone not named Bridgewater taking snaps? Yea, that's on the FO.

Trading with Miami at this point is unlikely, and depends on two factors Miami doesn't control. 1. Who is still available at six. 2. What we think Detroit will do. If one of the four QB's is still there at six, Miami already showed the league their hand. They aren't interested. Anyone with the draft capitol to reasonably move up already has. So what do we think the Lions will do? I mean, it's the Lions, super hard to say. They have Goff, but was their goal to get Goff or was their goal to get rid of Stafford? Hard to say. Goff is younger for sure, maybe they do like him. I don't think Detroit is completely out of the QB market, but having Goff I think makes it less likely they would take one. Bottom line is that pick six isn't all that valuable right now, as it appears that four QB's are going in the top five. In the event something strange happens on draft day, that could change. I don't expect us to move to six pre-draft, that's for sure.

Frankly, at this point, I'd rather see any one of those guys at QB over Teddy.

Wow. Just watched his pro day. Trey Lance might have MARGINALLY better overall arm strength, but Zach Wilson clearly has the best overall arm TALENT in this draft. I am no longer convinced that Lawrence is the best QB in this class. The difference between TL and ZW is not nearly what I thought it was.

There is no (*$@ing way the 49'ers traded up for Mac (*$@ing Jones. That's just Chris Simms having an absolute boner for Jones.

It would cost us our second round pick plus a bit more to move up those three spots. If we like the guy, it may be worth it.

Oh, I'm not celebrating 7-9 with Teddy, I am however saying it's not an unlikely outcome. I am a little miffed that we didn't pick up a Trubisky or Mariota type QB at 3.5 mil per season. They signed for PEANUTS which we could have easily afforded. Honestly, I'd be way more excited about our team with either of those than with Teddy.

Forget QB for a minute. Our team is flat out BETTER right now than it was last year. It's not even a question. A full offseason in front of us. A coaching staff that now has NFL experience under it's belt. A returning CMC. It wouldn't surprise me if we go 7-9 next year even with Teddy. There is no way we're picking in the top 10. Rookie QB in 2022? Forget it. There's only a couple worth first round picks, and they'll be snapped up long before we pick. Whether the Jets are sold on Darnold or not is utterly irrelevant. SF did not trade up to #3 to pick Sewell or Micah Parsons. Two QB's are off the board already. If the Jets keep Darnold and trade out, the only reason anyone would go up there is to pick a QB. Frankly, if we want a rookie QB, that's where we need to be. A month or so ago people were laughing when I told them I could see four QB's gone by pick 8. I wouldn't be surprised now if there were four QB's gone by pick FIVE.

Welcome to Carolina, Trask / Mond / Newman.

Innocent until proven guilty . . . even if he's an 'Aint.

Based on? He said / she said? No charges have been filed. No arrests have been made. I don't know what if anything Watson is guilty of. Nor do you. Nor does our team. Let me run this scenario by you. Let's say you're the Texans. You know Watson wants out. You want him to stay. What better way to keep him around than to make him appear to be completely toxic? We've all been so focused on seeing it from our side, we've failed to see it from the other side. My scenario protects our team if we trade. We lose nothing if Watson is suspended. The Texans gain nothing. Bear that in mind. My scenario was a hypothetical scenario where Watson is cleared. Maybe he is guilty of . . . something? I dunno. The fact that no legal charges have been filed is a red flag. I'm not even sure a REPORT has been filed. Certainly no legal investigation. A civil lawsuit is what happens when someone wants something but doesn't actually have a good legal case. The burden of proof is SUBSTANTIALLY lower in a civil suit. That's why those cases are typically settled quietly and out of court.