45catfan

I do. You draft the guy, period. You have an ace of spades in your back pocket. a) Competition for Darnold--he can't rest on his laurels. Getting pushed by Walker or Grier? L-O-L!!!!! b) If Darnold doesn't work out, we are not back in the same spot by already drafting his replacement. c) If Darold doesn't work out, it gives the rookie a year to learn the NFL and our scheme. d) If Brady works magic with Daronld, we have a HUGE bargaining chip with a 1st round QB in trade. e) We could be a cherry scenario of having a starting level QB and a starting-caliber backup.

Watson's team made waves one year despite the talent on their roster. The Texans had a much superior roster to the Jets this entire time. Look, I'm no Darnold fanboy, but I will acknowledge the dude had crap coaching, crap talent and crap culture around him (otherwise known as the New York Jets organization) compared to most of the rest of the League. He very well may be damaged goods, but for essentially a 2nd round pick, I think it's a smart gamble considering he was considered arguably the best QB in his draft class at the time. Lastly, it sealed the fact Teddy is out the door.

I honestly think this board suffers from Post-Traumatic-Hurney Syndrome. Rational moves like this really screws with how they have been wired all these many years. It does not compute with them. Minds are literally fried. Going back to the Watson asking price several weeks ago, that on the other hand, the treasure trove we would have shipped to Houston somehow made sense! We are so used to getting royally screwed over in our trades and mind-numbing bloated contracts being thrown around that the Darnold trade is bad because, I assume, they can't wrap their head's around it. It's a reclamation project on a cheap (for a QB) rookie deal that we can be out form under in 24 months (or earlier) if Darnold doesn't work out. We lost a end-of-round pick in the 6th (comp pick) and a 4th of little consequence. The way I look at it is we lost a 2nd if Darnold is beyond fixing. I mean Darnold has to be more productive than Greg Little--our 2nd rounder of 2019 that currently warms the bench.

Cut it out, man. You are using logic and you know that's not allowed around here.

And some more camp bodies at corner. It's at the bottom of the Ivy article. Funny, even Gantt knows they are camp fodder. It was like an afterthought: 'Oh yeah, here are a couple DBs we signed too.' Lol, when a player gets one, solitary sentence on being signed to the team, well you know... Besides Ivey, A Pair of CBs Signed

^^^^This. Since when did a 2nd rounder become the Holy Grail? I mean over half the board was willing to part with our 1st rounders until 2024 to get Watson, but now somehow we have put all our eggs in one basket just because we shipped off next year's 2nd round pick? The absurd logic of the Huddle never seems to astound me.

We were going heavy OL this draft anyway. At least that's how I saw it.

Yes, but many of the tackles in the 2nd are RTs and the few LTs project better to guard. I would persoanlly switch that sentiment in regards to CBs and tackles. Agreed, the Elfein and Erving signings were bad, especially Erving. If he's our starting LT on opening day, we are in for a LONG year. Sorry, the QB is in for a LONG year.

Bingo! My gut tells me Moton and agent are playing hard ball and the reason a new deal hasn't been struck yet. Right tackle's contracts are generally straight forward. I think they are angling for swing tackle or mid-tier left tackle money.

Either way it's a win-win and by trading for Darnold the Panthers at least have the luxury of making that decision. I can't stress this enough, Darnold was all about closing the door on Teddy MUCH more so than trying to read the tea leaves on the QBs heading into draft night. Bank on it.

How? If QB #3 or #4 falls to #8. Why? It's a cheaper version of what we gave Teddy and with one less year. Also Grier & Walker are clipboard holders/only break in case of and emergency types of backups. This is the NFL, stiff competition is needed at ALL positions unless they are top 3 in their respective position in the League. So no, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahommes don't need competition, but Sam Darold does.

I wasn't trying to be snarky, but he literally popped into my head when you asked for a comp. You know what did it? I thought of QBs on sh!tty teams when I was growing up and the Bucs were the laughing stock of the League and I went "Oh, Steve Young!"

One immediately popped into my head-Steve Young

Things happen for a reason and honestly the asking price for Watson was WAY too steep. People are grumbling about a 2nd next year for Darnold versus multiple 1sts for Watson.

The only difference is we don't hate the Chiefs and they don't kick our a$$ year in and year out--many times twice a season.

I'm convinced it was a CYA move to keep from doing something they may have regretted on draft night out of desperation.

Of course they would. A-holes!

I swear I had no idea this was going down today, lol!!!! I was doing this mock purely off the rumor mill that the Jets were shopping Darold and we were (obviously) in the market for a QB. Complete coincidence.

You get the Chargers scenario where they had Drew Brees and still drafted Phillip Rivers (technically Eli). Not the worst thing in the world to have two top-flight QBs on cheap deal and get to sort out which one you really want to keep. Knowing us, we'll ship the better one off like the Chargers did Brees.

I think people are reading too much into the "they didn't like QBs #3 & #4" as opposed to ensuring we had Teddy's replacement already in house in case plans went awry on draft night. Teddy was not going to be here next season and Darnold was the nail in that coffin. In 12-24 months Sam might be very well be getting that same one-way ticket out of Charlotte. I mean does the staff love Grier and Walker that much?

I got what you are saying, so you don't have to keep reiterating it. I don't think you are are looking at the other side of the coin about hedging their bets. Do you KNOW they don't like Fields/Lance? Could it be they like them and a) didn't think they would be there or b) like them but didn't want to throw them to the wolves or c) both scenarios. You could be right, maybe they didn't like either of them, but at least consider the discussion could be a little bit more complex than that.

We are going to have to agree to disagree then. The main argument is this, if Teddy was even marginally better last year, we wouldn't even be picking the top half of the draft. We should not be in any position to draft a franchise QB after this year. Rhule seems awfully sure of himself and totally believes this team will be contenders form now on. That said, if Fields or Lance is there at #8, we would be hard pressed to pass them up, not without getting a king's ransom in trade value fully believing we should not be sniffing a top 10 pick in the foreseeable future. Again, think VALUE, not need.

It called hedging your bet. The front office could NOT RISK a run on QBs and be stuck with no options outside of starting Teddy again. Daronld was being shopped and Watson is radioactive right now. Things could have gone really bad on draft night if they didn't pull the trigger on this trade.

If Fields or Lance falls to #8, I wouldn't 100% bet against it. This is essentially a 2-year deal for Darnold. We gave up on Teddy after just 1 year and his contract ran 3years.

Guys this is about getting rid of Teddy, not necessarily taking us out of the QB market in the draft. The worst thing that could have happened was the 'big 4' were already gone and another team had already traded for Darnold prior to the draft. The front office couldn't risk that and be saddled with Teddy for another year.