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True, but the cases of infected is rising and so is the number of ICU. From a low level sure, but Sweden is entering 6 months of cold weather and 20 weeks of flu season. It can go quickly if people don't get their act together. There are ~90.000 elderly in care homes waiting for the last straw. They live in their final home and if they aren't protected the numbers will blow up like in spring or even worse because now it might hit other parts of Sweden and not only Stockholm. Did the Doctor mention herd immunity? Herd immunity without a vaccine is a massacre. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/10/sweden-s-anders-tegnell-we-did-not-pursue-herd-immunity-against-covid-19

Is this some form of Covid party? My best guess is that the purpose is to maximize the risk of getting an infection if one in the party have it. https://mobile.twitter.com/maximusupinNYc/status/1318235377627430913

Well, hopefully its just a cold. I had a cold a month ago but did take the Covid test, negative. And its easy for me to say what to do. With our welfare system giving out sickpay from day 1 during this pandemic. Also working at a family business and able to work from a distance since its mostly office work or digital meetings...

Losing smell and taste is an early indicator of Covid-19. So I would get a test and try avoid other people until getting the result. Use a mask to limited your spread to other people. Hopefully it's just a cold.

But still. This new revelation just shows that Trump is being Trump. Not up to the task he has been given.. and all this information have been available and being talked about during spring and summer.

Then you have not been paying attention, the 190k is a colossal failure because in other western countries the first wave was handled and the numbers went down significantly. A few regions was hit hard but in other regions the spread was some what contained. This has not been the case with the US. States who had a small spread early, have now ended up having a high death toll. When I first heard the 250k number, my reaction was. They keep it high, so they easily could get below it. Well, nope. Such a failure.

I don't understand this latest scandal with Trump. What's the big deal I am missing? What's "new"? I mean, he did say in the beginning, March/April something, that millions could die if no actions was taken. And if they could keep the death tolls as low as 250k, they would have done a good job.

That's a lazy take from me. I saw it was june, but thought they still had la significantly high spread. Nope. So then it will be interesting to see why the spread and number of deaths are so high in the rest of the US. This puzzles me. The link you provided, that is how it should have looked for the whole US. Because that is how most countries numbers looks like.

Thanks, interesting. That's a weird article. If people from NY, NJ and Connecticut would be banned from entering other states, that would make the most sense. How long did states have lockdowns? Did a state like California have a lock down early on? Or only alot restrictions and people working from home..

Were there any travel bans or restrictions implemented between different states within the US at any time? It puzzles me how the numbers continue to be high and not only in one region of the country, but almost all over.

So I wanted to get the real US population number. After visiting a few Government sites I mostly ended up on the Census Bureau and their population clock page. Currently showing ~330,161,644 Is this considered the most accurate source? Census Bureau population clock

Interesting read. Read something similar today about how the immunity works. B-cells (.... plasma cells and antibodies), T-cells, memory "cells" and natural immunity. Wanted to post a short summary but the page reloaded. And now I'm gonna sleep.

Watching it right now actually, checked to see if anyone already posted it. People commenting about masks, should at least see the first 10 minutes... And as always...to be clear.... if I was living in the US I would use a mask because you have no clue about what social distancing mean.

What side is that? I think y'all somewhat crazy. I'm from Sweden. Barely anyone here is using a mask and I do not. But we do social distancing. Even more than what's already in our DNA. Videos and news I have seen, you all suck at social distancing. Its enough to look at the rising of deaths and new cases in the states that was not hit initially, to see that what you are doing is not enough. Other countries have gotten this under control and kept the virus limited to some parts of their countries and only low spread in the rest. But not you, new hotspots and unprepared states even 6 months into this. So to this point, have the view of this situation like you do. Mindblowing.

Yes, let the people decide how serious the virus is.

Social distancing? No? Not at all? ok...

The virus will spread if no appropriate actions are taken. So please provide your source to back this up.

There is a saying Europeans keep using. Only in America.

Part of the explanation must be that the International media has done a bad job describing Swedens approach and how the pandemic has developed over time here. People don't understand that life here is not as normal and that we actually have taken some measures that seems to have been effective. Saw a CBS News thread on Facebook today. And the amount of people defending Sweden and trying to "correct" the article, while of course, add incorrect facts, was mind blowing to see. Imagine how heart warming it was for a leftist leaning liberal as myself to see a few hundred American right wingers campaigning for Sweden. Hahaha...

Good link. I was about to ask for more links to studies.

About the evidence for wearing a mask. Interesting thread by Dr. Lynora Saxinger Here is the study from Norwegian Institute of Public Health Should individuals in the community without respiratory symptoms wear facemasks to reduce the spread of COVID-19? Would I wear a mask if I was living in the US? Yes, of course. But the best solution is always to limit the exposure.

I saw the same thing right after i posted it.. sorry...

Thats Google translate... and barely makes sense. :D Let me make it clear. Teachers needed far less hospital care than the other job occupations that was included in the study.

First I wanted to sit out of this one, but maybe it´s more fun if I add some information and then you all can battle it out by yourself. So Sweden did not close schools like most countries: Pre-school, age 1-6. Not mandatory but EVERYONE have their kids in pre-school School, start age 6-7. Mandatory 9 years Upper secondary school, start age 15-16, goes on for 2-4 years. and almost everyone attend University Pre-school and school was open as normal. Rumor says a third of parents kept their kids home. Upper secondary and University, all classes was held online. Confirmed Covid-19 cases (total for sweden 76001) 0-9 year: 469 10-19 year: 3027 ICU-cases (total 2484) 0-9 year old: 7 10-19 years: 14 I have no number of "regular" hospitalization. Deaths (total 5545): 0-9: 1* 10-19: 0 *Unclear if the young child died because of Covid. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa How big is the risk for teachers!? Study done by Public Health Agency of Sweden (Folkhälsomyndigheten) Article in Teachers Union Magazine about the study

I assumed private companies, hospitals, would like to make some money on this pandemic and therefore provide with more ICU if the demand was high. But can't argue with your post. Normally I have no faith in the American system to do what's right. So I shouldn't have it this time either. We will see if things get better after 2024.