micnificent28

Why does he have to be a loser to not want baker mayfield? I dont want baker and I dont even play for the team. This at best is a lateral move... HE Had god tier Offensive line and weapons with defense in cleveland and sucked.... what do you think he does here?

Yeah but if you want a guy to be protected in the pocket and can't move anyway why does him bring 6'4 matter if he isn't suppose to be getting hit? Yeah it would be nice. If you get to build the perfect prospect but sometimes you gotta accept that all those things are luxury items not requirements. Just like how you feel about a qb being mobile.

And what had Trask done to warrant that.. gotten a offer anyone wanna trade for him has he proven you right? Or is he just a backup? Sometimes a guy is who we thought he was. Not some magical dark horse.

I'm saying your judging qbs on a outdated scale Russell Wilson found success under 6'0, kyler Murray, drew Brees, vick, whoever the height requirement doesn't really hold water anymore with the way the game is played now.

Wasn’t you the one who KNEW Trask was the best qb as well? You an anyone who agrees with you clearly are looking for a lesser talented guy who might pan out but probably won't. Guy isn't going in the first 2 rounders. He is will Grier caliber fools gold. You saw some high gody completion percentage(at Nevada of all places) and said this guy is good. Stats do not=surefire nfl translation. Your over here parading colt brennen like talent around and and saying look they did good in college this is why they will be good in the pros. I'm not asking Willis to be a pocket passer. That's what you want. I want my guy to make plays when needed. Fact is there are throws Willis can make that Strong because of his physical limitations can't. Throwing and running. Guy just doesn't have enough special traits. And when that comes up all you are going to say is his completion percentage which could just mean I check down a lot. A good offensive coordinator can manufacture yards and basically make a qb look better than he is.

The pocket passer... the type of statue can move at all I'm screwed if my reads aren't there sitting duck. Yeah the college ranks don't produce those anymore.

Lol first off production scoring whatever moved the chains. That's what moves games. Call it chicken running or whatever as long as it goes on the scoreboard is all that matters. What makes your 70% completion any less manufactured than his rushing yards on top of his passing stats? NOTHING. Your just measuring by an outdated system. There is a reason the pocket pass is almost extinct because it makes your more vulnerable if things don't go as planned. Everyone isn't brady... or elite between the ears. You using the exception as the standard and that's why your wrong. Strong isn't looked at as a first round talent because he just lacks the traits. Pickett does the things strong does but is more gifted in that aspect.

I'm sorry but Michael Lombardi is just wrong on this one. It's not just the vet vs the rookie qb needed to be factored into this equation

The supporting cast gets better in the NFL as well. You don't get to jackpot the competition and use that as a reason why he will fail and keep him at liberty standards. Coaching and training improves. Regardless, his athletic ability gives him a guaranteed floor none of the other quarterbacks really have while he develops the rest. Just because you completed 70% at Nevada doesn't mean you will do it in the league. The guy doesn't have a lot of elite traits to build apon. Which is why most people don't have him in the first round.

The Willis isnt accurate rant is overstated. His accuracy isn't that bad VrwYSkA97Bajceze.mp4

Not mad at it.. Brian Ballinger on Malik VrwYSkA97Bajceze.mp4

This is why it would smart of Rhule to select a quarterback...

I really think qb at 6 is a smart move for rhule on the grounds it could extend his contract. Say we draft a tackle and don't make the playoffs... he's gone. If he does the same with a young future star at qb that might be enough for tepper to want to allow him to develop his young signal caller. Not that I don't love the top 3 tackles. I think you need a superstar to win at this level. The qb you select has to have superstar upside to duel with Mahomes now. He is the standard. I don't see that with Pickett.

Your right. I'm getting your responses confused with like 3 other posters who are also debating this.

I used that term because that's the way Mr Scott described Cam and quarterbacks like farve. Not pinpoint but in the general area of the right throw. That said I think he's better than what your saying.

But who's saying he can't throw? You make it seem like he is just a guy running around without skill and can't read defenses. He at worst has general vicinity accuracy and proved to be more accurate than the others I'm a accuracy competition... not bad for a running back https://twitter.com/ChaseGoodbread/status/1489358463180410884?s=20&t=n04r2Vu-PWpVTBQhcC3o_w

I don't think we should compare Willis to darnold at all. Let's forget that. What I'm saying is quarterbacks who can buy time with their legs like the guys of old you mentioned fran and rodger can create throwing opportunities that might not be there because of coverage. Buy 1 tenth of a second could be the difference between a touchdown and a sack. Qbs who can create havoc with their legs just give the offense more ways to stress a defense. If you had to respect Darnold like you would have to respect Willis do I think it would open up more chances for him to "throw touchdowns" yes. Because the defense can't committ as many guys to coverage. I'm not arguing for a all in running qb like 20 carries a game. I think 7-8 at most is enough to scare defenses. I would prefer my qb be surgical with the football but if we can't find a surgeon give me a butcher who can carve up defenses. My projection on Willis all upside. He's not surgical yet, but he's a butcher day 1.

Oh and I agree. I'm not arguing vick was a better qb.

So you are telling me Staubach was faster than Micheal vick and a better runner with the football than Micheal vick who is the all time leading rusher and only qb to run for 1000 yards in a season runner Micheal vick?

Ok Staubach was superior to Vick in every way.... lol stop it.

Absolutely not. But it's safe to say based off the speed of the guys who are duel threats, Willis has enough speed to be a threat with his legs? Is he atleast as fast as Newton who broke 70 yarders? As far as rushing qbs go I don't think we have seen a guy with the tools Willis has. He's got a strong lower base and lead the league in broken tackles at the position. He's shorter but he'd a power guy will break a ton of sacks. His start and stop acceleration are elite. I don't think he has the best top end speed like say a corner or Wr but he has enough speed to be a threat.

I'm saying he isn't really a duel threat. His rushing ability isn't something you can take advantage of. If I have to worry about the threat of you running any given down it could cause a mistake in coverage, make a DB hesitant anything, just create more opportunities. I'm not saying running solves darnolds problems. I think he never looks comfortable in the pocket and has consistent happy feet. What I'm saying with Willis is day 1. You have probably a top 3 rushing threat as far as running quarterbacks go in the league you are going to have to respect that. That's a floor. At worse ot creates opportunities opens throwing lanes whatever. A top 10 arm that can challenge any spot on the field. His mobility is going to make DBs have to play in coverage longer than they would like which creates opportunities. Yes he's not drew Brees in terms of processing yet. But from what I seen he's a better thrower than Newton coming out of the draft. He can change up his pitches and has good deep ball accuracy.

That was my whole point. Mr. Scott was saying that today's runners are nothing new and that they have been around since Rodger the Dodger and fran tarc. I'm saying today's mobile qbs are in a different league and a higher threat level to score than those guys. Those guys basically bought time with there legs. Vick, Cam, Lamar, Kyler and these kids will house one if you sleep on them. I'm not comparing Willis to them as a thrower only in the sense of mobility.

If you leave out the average of 600 yards rushing and the long 70 yard touchdowns he was capable of breaking. The threat of the big chuck play made you respect newtson athleticism every down. You were always looking for it. But that worked in darnolds favor because hey nobody expected him to run. That said are we comparing Darnolds Red zone rushing ability to Newtons? A guy who literally ran over guys and around them into the enzone vs I caught you not looking at me and snuck in?

If Sam Darnold isn't even faster than this guy I don't want him bring mentioned as a duel threat. Being able to run one in from 5 yards out doesn't mean your a duel threat.