tukafan21

I think it's going to be hard for him to turn down the chance to have Maye or Lawrence as his QB, but I absolutely could see him looking ahead and hoping whoever gets the #1 pick next year also fires their HC and he can get Manning. I'd think he'd want Caleb too, but not sure he wants to deal with the Bears organization in such a tough division.

Spending the money it will take to sign Higgins, on a WR with a shaky injury history, instead of spending it on the defense that just gave up the most points in NFL history, would be an epically bad decision. Yes, I've been a loud proponent of drafting T-Mac if available, but this has nothing to do with that. Even if we use our 1st on a defensive player, our cap room should be entirely spent on the defensive side of the ball. There are always good defensive players in FA because teams use their cap space to lock up offensive guys first, and they're more ready to help our defense than any rookies would be anyways. For what it would take to sign Higgins, we could add 2 or 3 starters on defense, with at least one of them being a big splash signing. To get him to come here, it's going to take Top 5 WR money, in no way is he worth that in a vacuum, let along once you factor in our defensive issues.

I'm sorry, this gets me every time If you're going to argue that we don't scout and analyze talent well, then you should be the type of person screaming for a higher draft pick as the higher you pick, the less chance you have to screw it up with poor scouting, as you have more elite players to choose from. With every pick later that you draft, your scouting needs to be even better.

Unless someone makes a really stupid offer, the really isn't much of a point in trading back from the 7th pick. Just take BPA there, it's not worth picking up an extra mid round pick to move back into say the low teens.

It's not even about the points, it's about 1 more player being available for us to choose from. Herbert. Sewell. 1 pick early in those seasons and we have a Top 10 QB and LT right now.

Oh, and again, we won 2 late season games in OT. Are you telling me that if we had lost those games, we wouldn't have had the same development of the players that we had? That's absolute utter nonsense, pulling out the win has literally ZERO affect on the development of the players. That's what I think a lot of the "pro late season winning fans" seem to miss in this argument. I'm not arguing for us to tank, that's nonsense, I'm arguing for us to do exactly what we did, fight hard and stay in games, but I'm wishing the other team would have pulled out the wins in the end. If we lose the coin toss and give up TD's in those OT games, we have the #1 pick that we can trade and still 100% of the development and improvement of the players over the course of the season. In what world is that not better for the future of the franchise to have that #1 pick to trade than the very very very minor good feelings of a couple extra wins?!?!?!

Howie Roseman is literally the best GM in the league at identifying talent, using them as an example is extremely flawed. The problem is we keep trying to patch the holes on a sinking ship, hoping for a quick fix turnaround, but all it does is keep us in NFL purgatory. We haven't been good since Cam got hurt in Pittsburgh and yet we haven't embraced a re-build in all those years since then either. That's not how the NFL works, we have such a bad overall roster, but people are pinning their hopes on a guy who is never going to be an elite QB. Make it make sense Again, this same argument has been going on for almost 10 years with this franchise. Some fans root for losses, the others root for December wins, and we tend to get those late pointless wins almost every season. How has that worked out for us so far? How is this franchise doing? When was the last time we sniffed the playoffs? At what point do people realize we aren't doing things the right way?

I want to be playing in the playoffs and contending for SB's. You don't do that by winning meaningless games in December every freaking season, which we tend to do. How has that worked out for us since 2015? It hasn't worked, it's why we've been stuck in NFL purgatory for basically the last decade. But sure, let's keep celebrating these late season wins, they keep me all warm and fuzzy inside during those 1-7 starts and ruin the season for us before the midway point of the schedule. This argument happens every year, at what point do the people who celebrate these wins realize it's not working? People point out the good players we did draft later in the draft, but they obviously aren't helping turn around the franchise, maybe we'd have gotten even better players than them if we were higher in the draft. I'm sick of having a terrible team, I'm not going to celebrate wins that cost us significant draft capital when I think we're stuck with an awful QB. If we had a Drake Maye, who has looked like he has a real future, then yea, I'd be more on board with celebrating a meaningless Week 18 win, because I'd feel we had a future. Bryce aint it, sure I'd love him to become that guy, but I 100% do not see it happening, so things like today just piss me off as I feel like we keep setting ourselves back as a franchise.

We missed out on Herbert and Sewell by 1 pick each. I'm not going to go through every draft to find difference making players that we could have had, but you can do the same thing both ways. Fact is we lose both these OT games and we have the #1 pick, which likely is being turned into multiple 1st's and another couple other picks. There is no world where these 2 wins and the 8th pick in the draft is better for our future than ending up with say the 5th pick, another 2nd, and then an extra 2026 and maybe 2027 1st rounder. Culture isn't built because you pull out an OT win, it's built because of everything the team does through the season. Our culture moving forward would be exactly the same had we lost those two OT games in the end, but because we didn't, we miss out on A TON of talent.

With the right coaches, 100% Bryce and AR are essentially polar opposites of each other. One has ungodly physical ability, the other is extremely limited. One sees the game at an elite level, the other severely struggles with it so far. The point isn't about who they are as QB's right now, it's about what they will be 5 years from now. I'd rather bet on hiring the right coaches to get the best out of AR and get the most out of his physical abilities. AR's upside is miles higher than Bryce's due to the physical differences between them. Will it pan out that way? Who knows, but since I don't think Bryce will ever be a Top 20 QB in this league, I'm taking the chance on the guy with uber elite physical traits. Yes, right now Bryce is a better QB, but I don't care about right now, just like I don't care about the win today. Right now does nothing for the team 3 years from now. Sure, AR could be out of the league while Bryce is still a starter in 3 years. But if you're betting on one becoming a Top 15 QB 3 years from now, I'm putting every dollar I have on AR there, because I don't think Bryce has a snowball's chance in hell at doing that. Sure, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, Bryce just isn't that guy to me, never has been.

I'll be the first to admit that the Bryce over the last 2 months has been lightyears better than the Bryce I was bashing the first year and a half of his career. The problem is he is now looking like the Bryce that I thought we were drafting. A solid game manager who sees the game at an elite level, but will always be held back by his physical limitations. That he's going to be the type of QB who is never bad enough to let walk in FA, but also not good enough to turn a team into a contender unless you have the PERFECT roster built around him. And even then, you'd be a contender because of the rest of the roster, not the QB. The problem is even if you build that perfect roster, it's usually done on rookie contracts and you can only keep that roster together for a season or two before you lose too many key contributors. This is how you get stuck in NFL purgatory, it's not how you build a constant contender of a franchise. People are getting excited because we're better than we were before. I don't want to be better than we were before, because that's an extremely low bar. I want to be a winning franchise, and I flat out don't see Bryce being the type of QB who can do that for a team.

Will be real close as to who ends up 7th and 8th between us and the Jets, no idea how each of the remaining games will affect the SOS, but as of right now we're separated by .002 in the SOS. EDIT: Looks like the KC/Denver game going final increased our SOS advantage by another .002, so right now we have a .004 lead on the 7th pick, but not about to do the math on the remaining few games to see how it changes things.

And also, none of this means I think all of the guys above are SB contending caliber QB's either. But I do think they all have higher potential than Bryce, which is the question at hand.

Easy.... (in order by divisions just for ease of going through each team) Allen, Tua, Maye, Lamar, Burrow, Stroud, Richardson, Lawrence, Mahomes, Herbert, Nix, Hurts, Daniels, Dak, Goff, Love, Williams, Darnold/McCarthy, Baker, Penix, Purdy, Kyler That's 23 right there that I'd take with an eye on the future, and it doesn't include the older guys who are still better than Bryce like a Stafford or Geno. It doesn't include any rookies who will come in over the next few years that I think will have a better career than Bryce as well. Even if you want to argue a few of those guys like Richardson, Penix, Darnold/McCarthy, or Tua (health) don't belong there on your list, I think at least a couple of them end up better than Bryce, which still keeps Bryce outside the Top 20 QB's moving forward. For me in the end, it's Bryce's physical limitations that hurt his prospects for me. I think the right coaches can easily build up someone like AR to be a better QB than Bryce. Sure, it's going to take the right coaching staff to do it or he could be a bust, but I'd still bet on his physical talents over Bryce's physical limitations. The point is, even if you want to remove some of those guys off your personal list, that 20ish spot is really his max potential if everything goes right for him, he's never cracking the Top 16 to be an above average starting QB.

Being a team with something to play for doesn't make them a good team. Neither of those teams would have even had something to play for if their divisions were better this season. Both the Cardinals and Falcons should have realistically been out of the hunt a few weeks earlier than they were, but their weak divisions kept them in it.

No, he was just being smart and waiting for the right opportunity to show up. For an offensive mind like him, there's no reason to take a job that doesn't already have a good QB there for him to work with and set himself up for early success. Why leave great situation for one where you're likely to get fired after a couple years because of not having a QB? He's played it smart and I'm sure it will work out for him with whatever job he takes.

No, they have a QB better than anyone we've had since before the Steelers game where Cam got hurt.

I wish there was a way to see what all these posters who are excited about this win (and the Cardinals win) were saying 3-4 years ago when we were winning those meaningless late season games. I'll bet they were saying the same thing, "this is how you build a culture" and "it's going to carry over into next year" and "blah blah blah" That to me is why I don't understand all the hate I get for taking this stance, it's not like we're some new franchise that has never gone through this before. We've been doing it for YEARS, we win these meaningless late season games, a group of fans think it's the start of a turnaround of the franchise, but all it does is hurt our ability to draft better players and we rinse and repeat the next year. I don't take joy in saying this stuff, but I just call it like I see it. Yes, Bryce played better the last 2 months, but there are still at least 20 QB's that I'd take over him in a heartbeat right now. You're not going to ever contend in today's NFL with a QB who is outside the Top 20 in the league, it's just the way the game is played these days. Getting excited about possible mediocrity just because we've been garbage for so long is now how you build a winning franchise, it's how you get stuck in NFL purgatory, and I'm sick of being stuck there.

I saw the other day that Ben Johnson would have been very interested in the Patriots job if it opened up. Them winning and then firing Mayo puts them in a great spot to hire Johnson and then draft T-Mac to give him a great QB/WR combo to work with.

Getting the 1st pick probably would have actually meant we got about the 5th pick, a 2026 1st, another couple picks in the 2-4 rounds, and possibly even a 2027 1st as well. But sure, these two OT wins and the 8th pick will help us win games 3 years from now more than all of those draft assets would have

Hope those 5 TDs keep you all nice and warm and fuzzy inside 2 years from now when we're finishing up yet another losing season for however many years in a row it will be by then and complaining that we're going to either overpay Bryce or need a new QB again

Yea!!!! We won yet another meaningless end of season game that hurt our ability to draft a better player next year. Honestly, we do this every single fuging year and the fans somehow never learn. How many times do we have to do this before the fans start to realize it's a vicious cycle that you can't break until you embrace a rebuild? Again, 2 OTs just dropped us from 1st to 8th in the draft. Which in the end, probably cost us an additional 1st round pick, maybe a 2nd First, and probably a couple of other middle round picks as well as we'd have been able to trade back. In no world is that worth the 2 wins that do nothing but provide a temporary enjoyment for those too shortsighted to see how it's not a good thing for us.

I don't care that this will get poo all over, but I called this before we even took him and I'm now even more confident it will be the case... People need to stop getting excited about a guy who has a max potential of maybe the 20th best QB in the league and doesn't have the arm talent to will your team into contention every season. It's the definition of QB and NFL purgatory and how you get stuck drafting in the 12-15 range every year with no shot at ever actually being a contender. Poo away on this post all you want, but it's true and everyone getting all excited over Bryce rigth now better not complain 3 years from now when we still suck because Bryce just isn't that guy. 2 OT wins in the last month of the season cost us the #1 overall pick, as that's where we'd be if we lost both of those games. Hope that temporary moral boost is worth it

When the patriots beat the bills (which I called like 3 weeks ago), that Cardinals win is going to end up costing us the #1 pick in the draft. But sure, go on telling me how that one win is going to help this team in the future because it helped build a winning culture.

Nah, he's too good of a backup If Bryce falls flat on his face next year, we're going to suck and we need to just embrace it, play him all year long and be in a position to draft his replacement with that high 1st round pick he'll lead us to. Dream scenario is Ben Johnson goes back to the Lions for another year for some reason... We draft T-Mac... We're awful and get the #1 pick... Then we sell the Manning family on hiring Ben Johnson and have a potential wild offense with Johnson leading Manning, T-Mac, XL, Coker, Sanders, Hubbard, Brooks. Yea I like what we see from Canales so far, but the above situation could set us up for an amazing 10-12 year run