Bear Hands

Thanks. I'm not entirely on board but appreciate the added perspective. I do think Tillman offers a lot more than some of the other bigger guys in those mid rounds. I look and compare him to Hutchinson and Perry, and do view him as a notch up. He's got some X potential that many others in the class simply don't have.

Yeah I wouldn't want to feel like we're forcing it entirely, hence why I'm proposing the trade up idea. Campbell could very well be available. Others being Ojulari, Felix, and that Northwestern kid. The EDGE class is really appealing.

Yeah that is what I've been noticing, even in respect to who we land via FA. There's a few smaller guys with outside potential in the vein of a Lockett or D Smith, but a lot of slot types and specific player types that need to be paired with a larger receiving room. I guess it's a good thing we've got TMJ at 6'3 but he needs to start producing.

I'd like to think so, just running through some scenarios, and it's the remaining few from that top ~30ish could dwindle fast. Particularly at the WR spot. On the flipside, if we can't quite land the guy we want, I could actually see a slight trade down, where we could still land let's say Musgrave or LaPorta, then we gain another top-100 pick. That type of move could get us in position to select a few WRs in R3-4. Then the combos in that realm start to look something like a LaPorta, Cedric Tillman, Jayden Reed type grouping. Ideally, I'd love Downs or Hyatt to just be there to take.

Pending a WR signing (or two), I think it's fair to say we've set ourselves up to get, not BPA, but the BOSPA, come April. Although I'll admit this EDGE class is tantalizing. (Cue the new term) So then, let's take a gander... Consensus-ish Big Board (My estimated rankings based on The Athletic, Ringer, and a few other spots) green means trending up. 10. Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR ^ 12. Quentin Johnston WR 14. Michael Mayer TE 17. Jordan Addison WR 23. Jahmyr Gibbs RB ^ 25. Dalton Kincaid TE ^ 26. Zay Flowers WR ^ 30. Darnell Washington TE ^ 33. Jalin Hyatt WR 40. Josh Downs WR 48. Luke Musgrave TE 52. Sam LaPorta TE ^ 58. Zach Charbonnet Takeaways: No doubt team boards will vary, but I see a pretty damn substantial cliff after LaPorta. Rashee Rice & Tillman are good but a major tier down. Same goes with the TE and RB groups in my opinion. Guys like Tyler Scott, Kraft, Achane, Spears, Schoonmaker could be great, but simply aren't in that higher tier. I know we already gave a lot away, I'm trying to stay realistic. However, if we want to land a top weapon in this class, I think it could be in our benefit to move up a tad. I'm not saying jump to 20 for a boatload, but if receivers are getting selected in the 20s, which I can see happening easy, then I say let's get aggressive again. So my question RE: Rankings, -- Is it worth holding on, or would it be in our favor to use something like a 4th (this year or future), or maybe a 4th+6th type combo to slide up a bit in our favor? I think 3rds are too high with capital given away for our shiny QB1, but it we want an effective weapon, do you want to swing high, or take a group of guys a bit lower tier in this draft? After 39, 93 is our next selection. That's 1.5 rounds right there. For me, it is starting to look quite appealing to grab a top guy somehow given who we've brought in. A really solid foundation sans WR seems to have melded together. Creating a young trio like Stroud, Sanders, & Flowers could have so much freaking potential. Thoughts?

Can't believe we got a 25 y/o franchise running back. Just like that. This team feels so different already and it's awesome

Something people shouldn't look past: Hurst in the playoffs this year. It may seem like an average TE line season stat wise, but he made some huge 3rd down conversions and other big plays in the playoffs against Buffalo and KC. The more I stew on this signing, the more I'm a fan. He's a great locker room guy on top of it, just overall mucho bueno addition.

Alrighty let's get a receiver today. Looking at you Parris Campbell (or) Darius Slayton (or) Mecole Hardman (or) DJ Chark

Roschon Johnson or Charbonnet would absolutely be tantalizing with Miles Sanders. Thinking right in line with how DET used Jamaal/Swift.

One does not equal or cancel the other out, but in trading DJ, it was paramount to land a YOUNG proven skill position player on a 2+ year contract. This is about as good as it gets with this FA market.

3-4 DE right der.

WOW

And are on an ex-Saints/Bengals kick which was unexpected.

We hit our ginger quota, that's what happened.

Quite happy I spared myself the audio filler while working. This guy just wants to hear his own voice.

His first few years were injury sticky. Buuut Campbell played every game last year with Ryan/Ehlinger and managed 600+ with Pittman & Pierce getting most targets. Only 25 y/o. Not a bad guy to throw in the mix.

Yeah. He's good [enough] that if a starting caliber TE doesn't happen in the draft, not a huge deal. But still allows us to select Musgrave/LaPorta/Washington at 39 if we choose. But then, if we don't, can still take a R4ish shot on a Schoonmaker, Kraft, Whyle type. Makes the decision at 39 less forced, can be the best offensive skill player available.

We officially have a tight end that is actually capable of doing all the tight end things. Thomas has been a forever work in progress, Tremble is a work in progress. Dissapointed this isn't Schultz but he offers more flexibility than what Gesicki would bring. If not Schultz, it was Hurst or Tonyan. Maybe Moreau.

I love it personally. He's one of the best personalities in the league. His teammates love the dude, tough hard-nosed runner. He was more than just the reliable short yardage back in a league top offense. Would be a fan of this. Regardless if it's him or Foreman, the draft tees up nicely for an all-around or pass catcher like Gibbs, Spears, Achane, McIntosh, Brown, Abanikanda. I wouldn't say Charbonnet or Roschon Johnson are out but it's much more in favor of the all around, dual-threat, shiftier types.

Let’s vibe Dalton Schultz into existence. Make it happen Fitt

I think he got ticked off about how they were using him and the coaches told him to skip practice. He subsequently asked for a trade if I recall correctly. Though nothing was completely prior to the deadline. Funny thing was the Packers were a rumored package to boost Rodgers corps lol. *edit: There was something weird about it---and here it is--it was strange bc it was after their good start: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34846365/jets-elijah-moore-play-vs-broncos-trade-demand

They better view G Wilson as the key franchise piece for their own good. Moore though..he has so much road ahead in his career. He would be a very interesting get for a team. Davis, not as much.

Hard no to move up that far but I do think it would make sense to monitor a few specific guys like Zay Flowers, Dalton Kincaid, Michael Mayer, & Jordan Addison. If any of those 4 guys slip past NYG and DAL, I think Buffalo and/or Cincy become the highest potential trade-up targets we should think of calling. Late 20s. Buuut with us not having a 1st next year...I'd think a 2023 4th could be the highest chip you throw in with 39, how far that gets us...realistically is only a few spots. There is a big slip after Hyatt & Downs in the WR department to the next tier so I think those are the 2 to monitor the most once the round turns. I'd rather ensure a good receiver here and target a TE like LaPorta/Schoonmaker/Kraft after. Lots of possibilities.

Yep, not at all, fair assumption it could be 2. Interesting dynamic having two you like that much but no apparent frontrunner. Pro days are going to be funnn