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Charlie Campbell... Mykel Williams?
Bear Hands replied to SaltAndPepper's topic in Carolina Panthers
Mykel is the one that concerns me. He was one of the guys mid season that I was not impressed with at all while watching UGA..he not only looked lost at times during games but just straight up disappeared. And people will tout his run defense, he’s above average but in no ways elite from what I’ve gathered. Stewart generated consistent disruption and it’s evident on his reels you can find of snaps. He was a surprisingly fun watch for not having major sack line— but the pressure to sack conversion is a bit of a question mark. So at #8, we better not just have our sights on a particular guy, especially these two. Have the board, see what top talent somehow falls, stick to it, trust your staff’s work. If we just lock in and reach again, it would be a disappointing trend to see in Morgan. -
Charlie Campbell... Mykel Williams?
Bear Hands replied to SaltAndPepper's topic in Carolina Panthers
They’re both way too high of risks at 8 for the ceilings they have. I wouldn’t risk these toolsy/high-potential guys in our spot. History shows it is not kind… but Morgan tends to show his cards and has tunnelvision from what I’ve seen. Hope this doesn’t hold too much water If they’re willing to consider these two and want the size with the even higher potential, I’d rather take Grant or heck, even Harmon on the DL instead of two rather underwhelming EDGES. -
To an extent but you need the awareness and timing which are traits a bit more baked into a player's makeup.
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He's the type that will be in the eye of the beholder. For me, at his size, you'd expect a better run defender. Doesn't seem to peel off OLs quickly enough to wrap up runners. He gets caught up and can't move off interior linemen once they've got him in their grips. When he seems to have a strict assignment on a passing down, he can be good but he plays kind of inconsistent and awkward. Kind of a fringe R3/4 talent for me. Of the bigger IDLs that can play 2 gap - I like Tyleik, Collins, & Phillips over Walker.
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Jason Taylor’s kid is good.
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Walker may not be a R2 or even R3 guy. But there should be some legit interior talent available.
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Yep - His size and athleticism is simply rare. And is a guy at that spot with legit pass rush chops, not some run-d only clog. He could easily rise. I could see us being a team who has a soft spot for him. And that Nolen is a stud too. Lesser an NT but he’s fun as hell. Murphy was the only IDL last year with refined PR chops. This year’s draft is a different story. Really love the interior talent. Heck, you’ve got Norman-Lott and others in the next tier who is no slouch.
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A few people have had him top-15 overall for a minute like PFF and I think it holds true. His potential on top of a decent floor is sky high. And at a coveted position. Personally think he’s PR #2 after Carter.
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He's also already pretty good against the run. Has some inconsistencies from time to time, but sheds off blocks and moves laterally very well to get to the runner. Def a fan. I see a Will McDonald with better burst. Needs to pack on some meat, but he's a really strong prospect. Projected top-5 overall preseason.
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What is Dan Morgan looking for at the combine?
Bear Hands replied to Basbear's topic in Carolina Panthers
If Tyleik or Norman-Lott fell somehow, that would be even better. -
Fo sure. Where I'm kind of leaning w/our first: With this high of a pick, stepping back, big picture, you want a guy that can straight up elevate their side of the ball and change the way the opposition needs to play us. That's the bottom line for me. It's what we wanted with Bryce of course, Brown, Horn, etc. when drafting this high. Icky had the question marks in pass blocking but we had a 5+ year running need when we landed him. The defenders people are considering can be really nice, sure, potentially all-pro pieces (Walker, Johnson, Pearce, etc.) but are we getting a guy that a defense needs to immediately account for on every snap? Or are you banking on some potential actualizing? Is there any lack of sure-thing with translating to the NFL, or additional refinement needed? When you're banking on those factors high in the draft, that's where the busts can come from IMO. I.E. Johnson has press-man coverage questions (Surtain/Horn did not have those concerns), Walker with his size/down-to-down role, and Pearce needing some run-d technical refinement. But with Warren, you drop him in, I think the offense entirely changes. And the way people need to play us entirely changes as well. And I don't see anything technically that needs more hands-on coaching required. It's appealing. Not entirely there yet, but if a team is sold on him, I'm seeing the why.
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I'm going to ruffle some feathers but I wouldn't touch Starks in the top-20, maybe even the 1st. Would be a massive overreach. Now don't get me wrong, he was one of UGA's leaders, strong tackler, no injuries, and had some huge plays - so a ton of good, but he also gave up big plays and just doesn't have the deep speed you want. He has some great traits, but after I've dove in recently, I'm looking at a Xavier Watts, and don't see what Starks necessarily brings that's so much more coveted. I kind of like Xavier even better honestly. More instinctual and quicker. Starks gave up a 99.6 passer rating when targeted and only 8 run stops on nearly 400 run snaps (over 150 in the box).
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This. It’s why this year’s mocks are all over the place and who the hell knows come draft day. A guy perceived in the 40s right now could end up top-15 lol
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I feel like we may be more preferential to guys like Grant, Tyleik, Norman-Lott, & Collins in this draft. Need a real brute force in the trenches, probably even more so than an edge guy. Honestly, I lean more trenches than the standing edge talent, especially if we're talking the types that need some run-d refinement. Which is basically all of them after Carter & Pearce. Heck, and even Pearce needs some work. While we're talking about our sleeper/faves, Kenny Grant is the one that could sneak up boards and I honestly think is the one being super overlooked. That size & athleticism with legit pass-rush skills in the middle of a DL doesn't come around often and I don't see him sitting long to hear his name called come draft day. He did it for a major program, was a key piece to that 2023 defense, and he'd be a really good fit between Brown & A'Shawn. That's a plug and play cog.
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Interviews are huge for Green. I agree people can change and make dumb decisions, but he was straight up kicked out of a program and had to leave UVA. That just doesn't happen for a one time minor offense. It's why I've been cautious with getting excited about him. If he checks out with teams, he could go quite high. If he seems like a kid with some issues, then there could be a nosedive.
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Will say, a Warren choice could be favorable if you're considering the FA and mid-rounder landscape. FA on offense is simply bad this year. There's no real multi-year investments. Defense is much different. There's also not exactly any true elevators on offense draft wise outside of Jeanty and Warren (I do like Loveland a lot). So if one of the few blue chips is there...I mean... And R2-3 has more impact options on defense. There's some REALLY appealing IDL (which is one of my top concerns) Tyleik Williams, Norman-Lott, Alfred Collins, & Philips to name a few. Also at EDGE with Elijah Roberts, Tuimoloau, Ivey, Swinson, & Princely. Not to mention Xavier Watts and others at DB. We'll be attacking FA first which will predicate a lot. And we are likely looking heavy defense, it may make taking a blue chip offensive guy quite appealing depending on who we get.
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I Think Ashton Jeanty will be the Pick at #8
Bear Hands replied to chknwing's topic in Carolina Panthers
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You draft Warren and he’s a guy that becomes a focal point of an offense. That type of TE doesn’t come along often…him and Brockers coming out in back to back years is an aberration. Will say, I don’t think Loveland is far behind either but the short of it is that Warren completely changes an offense. It’s pretty appealing. Jeanty is the only other offensive skill player that could have that type of immediate impact IMO. McMillan, Loveland, Burden, Hampton, Egbuka just aren’t at THAT level of impact+value. It’s a tough call when you’re void of pass rush talent, and there’s good options (Walker, Pearce, Green) but then have a guy like Warren potentially there for the taking.
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Charlie Campbell... Mykel Williams?
Bear Hands replied to SaltAndPepper's topic in Carolina Panthers
If you're looking at what they can give you out of the gate, I'm really not a Williams fan. He's got great measurables and I can see being a combine riser, but his work this past season wasn't impressive from what I've seen. He's good, not elite against the run and has a LONG ways to go as a pass rusher. You don't draft a 1st with potential and measurables weighted THAT heavily into the pick. -
Christensen would be nice but he obviously wants to test the market. Between him being gone, the center spot, Icky still a bit of an uncertainty and Moton’s age, I really think the OL should be given some love via draft to develop our next starters. Stay ahead, don’t let a strength become a weakness. D wise- Jackson is the surprise but maybe we target some DBs in the market - there’s some interesting ones this year. Offense this FA is kind of trash but defensively, DB talent is there. Also- For being a more well known safety, Xavier Woods had one of the quietest 2+ year starting tenures I think I’ve ever seen here.
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Joe Person: Projecting moves based on vibes
Bear Hands replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
McLaughlin and Drew Kendall would be options from this draft exclusively at center. UNC's Lampkin played C for a bit before moving to Guard and could be a solid swing depth guy as well. The talent could be had. -
Joe Person: Projecting moves based on vibes
Bear Hands replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Someone like that makes sense to me. It's a rough FA group overall, I wouldn't be surprised if we just drafted another in the mid rounds and didn't really grab anyone. -
Joe Person: Projecting moves based on vibes
Bear Hands replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Between the Bengals doing what they can to keep him and the Patriots, Chargers and Wash piggy banks, we can probably scrap the idea of Tee all together. -
Joe Person: Projecting moves based on vibes
Bear Hands replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
If I were Morgan, I would prioritize both Christensen and Mays. Mays is nothing spectacular but he showed he can be a good swing depth piece. It's good to have something known/familiar insurance as depth. Christensen is the same but a bit more starter caliber. With him, I just don't want to overpay, but he seems like a good fit with the gang wherever he plays. I've always been preferential to Tremble as a longer term TE2, but would not overly pursue unless is a mutual thing. And then see if Mike Jackson wants a modest 2-year deal. Otherwise, I'm letting the rest of our FAs explore. Save the bank. I also wouldn't restructure too much, would be nice to just get out from under a lot next year for re-signing the better talent and a splash 2026 signing or two.