SaltAndPepper

He was trying to pass off the assignment, but I'm guessing he got confused because he thought Thibs would do an inside move like a twist, and didn't play for the outside rush (around his outside instead of his inside). FWIW, i'd rather the line workout issues now than later.

someone get me a paper bag and alcohol

Thanks for that claification

Guys, in the press conference reich was asked about Kemu Grieger-hill and he was mentioning something that was "tragic and I've talked to him and his family"... anything that we know about? What was that about?

watching the end where he threw an interception on a hail mary, and immeidately after apologizing to the coach and his family, he goes to the south endzone to pray to the lord. He wasn't angry with the lord for the loss, he just said "everything happens for a reason. Thank you for the lessons you taught me." Man that's awesome.

Oh how I wish they would show the Talent Show

Fowler's notes from Carolina Panthers camp (ESPN + so I just copy / pasted it) Location: Spartanburg, South Carolina Date visited: Aug. 4 After taking one of multiple coverage sacks Friday, Bryce Young started jogging downfield before chucking the ball into the ground in disgust, a rare glimpse of raw emotion from a steely player. But this was a small blemish on an otherwise strong day for Young, who completed passes into tight coverage downfield and did not commit a turnover. Young's arm strength is adequate, and his savvy fools even the Panthers' best defensive players. "He caught me today, actually," pass-rusher Brian Burns told me. "I was dropping in the hook ... he kind of looked me off and like, I guess gave a little pump fake, so I bit on the cheese and he hit me over top for a big one. So I'm going to get him back. But it is good to have that on the other side. I think he's going to be good for us." A few themes have emerged in Young's evaluation: ▪ He has already advanced in the art of the line-of-scrimmage check -- Young shows full command of the offense pre-snap. At one point in the spring, he checked into a play that the Panthers hadn't run yet. ▪ The Panthers aren't concerned about interceptions in training camp. Young has thrown several, but coaches have encouraged him to try new stuff, with one I spoke to comparing the process to Chris Rock testing out new material in small clubs to rehearse for the big Netflix special. ▪ Yes, there's concern here about his size. That's natural. Young is listed at 5-foot-10, 204 pounds, and the Panthers knew the risks when they drafted him. But they are confident in how he protects himself, and the staff has encouraged him to throw the ball away when the play isn't there. ▪ Young has a quick release and adequate arm strength -- not a huge arm, but plenty good. But the quickness of the release is most impressive. ▪ Young's relationship with backup Andy Dalton has blossomed. The two have become close, and Dalton is constantly talking things out with him. Carolina has surrounded Young with QB whisperers. Three of his coaches -- Reich, senior assistant Jim Caldwell and quarterbacks coach Josh McCown -- carry cachet in working with quarterbacks. The Panthers set their sights on Young months before the draft, and when they traded with Chicago to secure the No. 1 pick, they challenged themselves to find a reason not to take him. They didn't find one (even though Anthony Richardson thoroughly impressed in the process). Months later, the Panthers have zero regrets. There's definitely a feeling they got the right guy, because of his makeup, character and ability to process information. Best of the rest: ▪ On Adam Thielen's way out of Minnesota, questions persisted about whether he could still separate. The Panthers have been pleased with his top-end speed, tracking him at 20-plus miles per hour on the GPS device. Thielen had a knee injury late last season that could have affected his burst. Now fully healthy, the Panthers expect him to play a variety of roles, from working in the slot to getting loose on the outside. ▪ The Justin Houston signing was timely. Defensive coordinator Ejiro Evero said last week "it's a fact" that someone opposite Burns needs to solidify the starting role. With Marquis Haynes Sr. injured, Carolina pushed to make a move but wasn't comfortable paying the $10.5 million that Yannick Ngakoue got from Chicago. ▪ Burns told me he's not concerned with his contract but would love to stay in Carolina long term. He reported to camp because he wanted to show leadership. Sides are not close on a new deal. With Nick Bosa expected to put up a massive number on an extension with San Francisco, that could have a trickle-down effect on Burns, the proverbial next man up. Burns doesn't seem hesitant to play out the last year of his rookie contract at $16 million guaranteed. He's eyeing a massive season regardless. "I'm far from my ceiling," Burns said. He thinks a more improved Carolina team will result in more opportunities for pass-rushers and others. "We've been pretty bad for the last couple of years," he said. "I've been through the downs a lot. It's time to start winning. It's at that point." ▪ DJ Chark Jr. could end up being a steal in free agency after signing for $5 million guaranteed on a one-year deal. Chark finally looks healthy and is showing explosiveness. He caught a slick touchdown from Young by the sideline, and his deep-ball prowess has been on display. ▪ Consider safety Jeremy Chinn a "big nickel" player -- he can play cornerback in the nickel package or slide to linebacker in a dime package. The Panthers believe he can stuff the stat sheet in this new role. "This guy is a weapon," Evero said. Key fantasy note: Running back Miles Sanders has a relatively healthy fantasy outlook. The loose expectation is he'll hover around 15 carries per game, on average, along with 3-5 catches per game. Some running backs can run parts of the wide receiver route tree, some can't -- Sanders can. Expect Carolina to utilize his hands more than Philadelphia did. And Young isn't afraid to check it down if there's not a play downfield, as he showed during Friday's practice. So, Sanders won't lead the league in touches -- Carolina's offense isn't built like that -- but Carolina believes he's capable of handling three-down-back duties.

I'll drink to that tonight thanks

cheated on me

I don't know why the heartbreak of my fiance hurts when the panthers break my heart every year. BUT LET'S GO FOOTBALL IS BACK I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH AND SALIVATE OVER EVERY GAME

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/09/panthers-mecklenburg-county-david-tepper-funding-bank-of-america-stadium/ Big ole Big Daddy Tepper isn't going to be happy about this, I imagine.

Mr. Scot already posted this no?

jesus what a read.

They had Rhule in 2020 I believe

Anyone know what time the press conference is?

cries in kenny pickkett

I'd rather take Brents at 39 if he's available.

Well, yeah, but at least this year, if Desmond Ridder is half as competent and the Falcons coaching staff is half as competent to use Kyle Pitts, I can see the NFC South being a dogfight.

This was also interesting to me.

It's really hard to improve your score for this test. You will get mostly the same results each time, because mental, on the spot processing is really hard to improve. I would say that they had him take the test several times to see if there was growth, but it sounds like there wasn't.

(FROM THE ARTICLE) The newest thing in judging athletes is S2 Cognition, a business based in Nashville that has been marketing its product to NFL teams for about seven years. And, in interviews with several football executives this month, S2 testing has developed a reputation so strong in the industry that it undoubtedly will affect to some degree how quarterbacks are drafted. Suffice it to say, the candidacy for Alabama’s Bryce Young as the top quarterback only was strengthened by his preeminent performance on the S2 whereas the draft stock of Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud, possibly the No. 2 prospect, took a hit. “The S2 people will say, ‘Hey, guys that graded high on this test don’t always play well,’” one club executive said, “’But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.’” The S2 website showcases the results of Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow, who was the No. 1 pick in 2020. His total score of 97% was broken down into four sections: 94% on visual learning, 97% in instinctive learning, 97% in impulse control and 93% in improvisation. According to S2, the 30-to-45 minute exercise is conducted on what The Athletic’s Matt Barrows in February described as a “specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds.” It measures how players process and make split-second decisions. “Anticipating, reading, reacting and adapting to the game are measurable skills,” the website offers. Multiple sources said Young’s total score was 98% whereas Stroud’s total score was 18%. Some other total scores in the class of quarterbacks this year were 96% for Fresno State’s Jake Haener, 93% for Kentucky’s Will Levis and Brigham Young’s Jaren Hall, 84% for Houston’s Clayton Tune, 79% for Florida’s Anthony Richardson and 46% for Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker. “Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.” Justin Fields has started two seasons for Chicago, and among Buckeye retirees the ex-Bear Mike Tomczak might be next. It certainly wouldn’t be first-round busts Dwayne Haskins (2019) and Art Schlichter (1982). Haener, during a recent appearance at the 49ers’ visit day for local prospects in Santa Clara, Calif., admitted being told he did well on the S2. “I try to show people how I can process, how I can see things,” he told reporters. Young’s extraordinary score was in keeping with the anticipatory type of play that evaluators often cite as one of his greatest assets. “The only guy play-style-wise I can compare him to is Joe Burrow in his LSU year,” said an executive with extensive NFL experience. “Bryce is the best combination of poise, processing, instincts, toughness. This kid feels and sees so much.” When another executive was informed that Stroud scored extremely low, he said that it confirmed what he had seen on tape. “That was my concern with him,” the scout said. “His personality is just sort of calm and mellow and laidback, and that’s the way he plays. You look at how Bryce Young plays and how Stroud plays, I don’t see how anyone can look at those two play football and you’d want that guy (Stroud) over Young. Bryce’s mind is so quick and he processes so fast. Whereas with Stroud, everything is much, much more programmed.” One NFC executive described the S2 as a “great test.” Said an AFC executive: “For quarterbacks, it’s been pretty good,” Another executive said S2 made inroads early in its existence testing hitters for major league baseball clubs. “Then they started doing it in football,” the executive said. “If you get a high score as a quarterback it’s not saying you’re going to be a great player. But if you get a low score, it’s 100% — none of the quarterbacks that got a low score became good players. “The benchmark is 80. Eighty and above is good. Stroud was 18. It’s incredibly terrible. He’s going to be off (some team’s) boards. He will not be picked by those teams.” An executive said that Iowa State’s Brock Purdy, the 262nd and final player selected, had the highest S2 score among rookies in 2022. Despite the S2 results, a survey of 16 evaluators asking them for their choice as the quarterback with the best chance to bust showed Stroud behind Richardson and Levis. The bust vote count was eight for Richardson, five for Levis, two for Stroud and one for Young. In addition, the panel was asked to rank their top quarterbacks on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place vote worth 4 and so on. Young, with 10 firsts and 72 points, led the way. He was followed by Stroud (56, two), Levis (46, three), Richardson (40, one), Hooker (20), Max Duggan (two), Haener (two), Tanner McKee (one) and Dorian Thompson-Robinson (one). Here’s a sampling how some scouts summed up this collection of quarterbacks. AFC evaluator: “I would say a bit above average. There’s not a bonafide guy. There’s no Andrew Luck. Comparing it to Joe Burrow, Tua (Tagovailoa), Justin Herbert, that class was way better coming out. You can poke holes in all these guys.” AFC evaluator: “It’s the most overhyped, and understandably so, group that I can recall. Every one of them is flawed, and some with major flaws. So I think they all get overdrafted and, unfortunately, they all underperform. Even if they become starters they’re bottom-half-of-the-league starters.” AFC evaluator: “Teams have gone to better athletes at quarterback, but they’re shorter.” NFC evaluator: “None of these guys are Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence.” AFC evaluator: “History tells us probably four of the (top) five will be busts. It’s crazy.”

Like a lot of you, I've also seen all the Bryce clips on Sportscenter, ESPN, podcasts such as the PIvot. My question is, to you, the holistic huddler, why is Bryce Young (and to a lesser degree Will Anderson), why is Bryce Young going on this media tour anyway? What does he have to gain from it? Why isn't any of the other quarterbacks in the "consensus" (AR, WL, CJS) not doing media tours similar to Bryce? Enlighten me please. Disclaimer: This is in no way shape or form me disliking Bryce. I love Bryce and all the other QBs (except Levis). Just was curious about the timing and the suddenness of this media wave.

One of em, yeah. Have to imagine Patrick would still be THE face though