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They really don’t. I’d bet the Clemson guys fail at the same rate as every other school. I mean for every Ferrell you’ve got a Lawrence (both of them) and for every Lawson you’ve got a Jarrett. Terrell’s been good and Higgins, etc. What I think you’ll find is that there are good GMs/teams like the Steelers and Ravens where their guys just seem to fit and do well and then there are teams like the Raiders who draft Jamarcus Russell and Ferrell. Doesn’t mean LSU or Clemson players don’t hit. Don’t be surprised to see Simmons play a lot better. The Cardinals coaches the past few years aren’t exactly the cream of the crop. I mean they can’t even get their #1 pick QB to study film.

I thought the last two years he’d been decent. He’s had 200+ tackles the past two years and 5.5 sacks/3 INTs/14 PDs. He’s not a game changer but seems more like Arizona might be dumping him so they don’t have to worry about his next contract/5th year option. That team is a mess. Giants likely got a good one year rental and can decide after the year if they want to keep him.

That draft still boggles my mind. My whole tank 2020 was based on the premise that our talent level (before we spent FA $$$$$s for 5 wins) and Will Grier gets us a top 2 which is Lawrence at best or Fields at worst. It’s still amazing that Wilson and Lance jumped up that far based pretty much solely on some workout throws. It sure wasn’t their college careers. You couldn’t ask for more of a canyon between what Lawrence and Fields did, especially against defenses filled with NFL talent, and what Wilson and Lance did. This year’s draft will be an interesting case study as well in a couple years. Hopefully, we did well.

I still don’t think we would have taken Lance. Rhule wasn’t going to hitch his wagon to a raw rookie. I’m sorry, but I don’t remember any Lance (or even Wilson) interest that was founded in anything besides speculation like the next year when we were tied to every single QB. We had no QB so there were articles about every potential QB pick like Willis and Pickett as well. I do remember discussion about how we weren’t really interested in any of the QBs after Lawrence and making the Darnold trade pre-draft for 3 picks supports those rumors. Also, SF was rumored to be interested in Darnold as well until they made the trade. We were also already rumored to be interested in Darnold very early as well. We’ll just have to agree to disagree but we didn’t even give a chance for any QB to drop with the Darnold trade.

We passed on Fields at 8, we weren’t taking Lance at 3. We traded for Darnold before that draft for a 2nd, 4th and 6th. We would have had those picks although considering our trading pick prowess we likely wouldn’t have gotten as much as Miami did.

And had we lost the Redskins game where we won because of Haskins (released after that game) and them dropping a punt for a TD, those picks were ours. SMH to all the it’s not worth it to tank for picks when you are already done. Always seems like we are one pick away from a Herbert or a fleecing of SF.

You got it correct, the measure of preseason success isn’t wins and losses or score. The measure of success is players executing the plays called and winning their match ups. That said, as mentioned above, there are a ton of people saying it doesn’t matter at all and that lack of effort is not a problem. Missing assignments and getting fooled by stunts is not to be expected. That’s why some of us feel a bit more concerned than we were hoped

We actually don’t have a ton of cap space. You can always push more down the road, but we only have about $29M of cap space right now and that’s without Burns, Houston, Chark and Chinn. We also only have 43 under contract for next year and several of those are likely PS guys like Bumper, Peoples and more. So, in all, we can create more space but it’ll be like this year where we aren’t making a splash FA signing, just bargain level shopping.

Young might have his cleats on still or that guy was 5’9” in high school and shrunk a bit. Young was 5’10” and an 1/8 at the combine. He’s not 6’. We already know that.

That guy wasn’t answering a question. I think he was checking the mic for Young to answer questions. He was basically saying he’s smaller than Young so the mic is fine.

Well said. The we will make the playoffs crowd has now become the it’s just preseason and it was silly of us to think we might make the playoffs even if we were one Horn away last year with worse talent. It is just preseason and doesn’t matter, but that doesn’t mean you can’t watch our play and not feel as good as we did a couple weeks ago.

I’m waiting as well, but I can’t say I’m not concerned about some of the single players we were expecting to be solid contributors.

Yep. I agree on the play calling and planning. I might not agree that we shouldn’t be doing a bit more since everyone is so new. Personally, I think worrying so much about people seeing your plays shouldn’t overshadow making sure your rookie QB and brand new TE/WR starters are in sync in live game action. I will very much disagree with the lack of intensity and trying to win. Go ask Frank Reich if he’s OK with the players on the field not trying or going half speed. There was an interview on the pre-game show on 99.7 interviewing Reich about the great coaches he’s worked/played under and one of them he said had a saying that you should do ordinary things in an extraordinary way. That tells me he believes in running some vanilla plays but he expects the players on the field to execute it well. I doubt Reich cares if we won today but he sure as poo cares when we don’t execute a play well.

Yep. It’s bizarre that people can’t get that. Backups and guys that don’t make the roster play most of the game so of course winning and scores don’t matter. If we drove down the field only to go for it on 4th and miss or have CB make a great end zone interception, who cares. Moving the ball effectively means more than actually scoring especially if you aren‘t running your best red zone plays. Watching a 2nd year edge rusher abuse your 2nd year LT after that LT just had a bad game the week before is concerning. Only 1 more preseason game left.

Half effort is OK? You guys are completely wrong about preseason. The reason why winning and the score doesn’t mean much is because most of the game is played by backups and guys who won’t make the final roster. Maybe the coaches are holding back plays and being vanilla but that <> not trying on the play that’s called. That doesn’t mean when the starters are out there that they are supposed to take plays off and give half effort. You can’t say you want to see players 1v1 and then say who cares about half effort. Amazing that the same people who are always so dead set that our players would never give less effort to get a draft pick are literally saying it’s OK that our players giving half effort to get ready for the season. You can’t have it both ways. If Reich only wanted players to worry about staying healthy, why the hell would he even play starters? He may not want to show his amazing double reverse but he sure as poo wants the plays to put in max effort on a simple run. He isn’t saying to Iky, don’t worry about Kayvon hitting Bryce and almost taking out Moton’s knees as long as you didn’t break a nail grabbing at his jersey on the way by.

Punting is not on point by either team tonight.

Amazing we wasted a 3rd and a 4th on him, a 5th on Mayfield and a 2nd, 4th and 6th on Darnold. SMH.

Refs probably laughing too much when Corral threw it so short and hit the defender in the ass.

Dude is so slow. Jones had a nice pressure causing one of those under throw balls that has to get picked. Instead he was still 10 yards away not making up ground on a duck.

Damn Iky. Got Moton hit bad. Kayvon drinking his milkshake.

Umm. Why no block Thibodeaux?

And to think people think we are deep. We need our stars out there all year or we let a guy like Jones look like a HOFer.

Yeah, but man Burns and Brown out and we couldn’t get a single pressure. That was way too easy against our starting D minus Burns and Brown.

Our TE coverage is leaving a bit to be desired.

No. That was within 5 yards. Press didn’t work there.