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Kelly actually looked promising in the NFL until Philly gave him roster control. That's when things spiraled on him. We gave Rhule that out of the gate. Rhule would've had a much better chance to succeed had he been paired with a strong GM. If he was demanding full control out of the gate then that should've been the red flag we needed to look elsewhere. Very few coaches are cut out for full control in the NFL and it took most of them years to prove themselves before they got it.

Or draft picks. Wait... you're open to the idea of using an entire draft class on defense in a league that's been trending toward offense for two decades? Oh, you want to trade 2nd and 3rd round picks for other teams' 1st round pick busts? You want to overpay subpar vets to avoid spending draft picks on OL? Cool. Thanks for your time but I just want to be honest with you and let you know that we're going to be pursuing other candidates.

I just see the ellipses as tears.

I get it. It sucks to lose to a bad team when things were looking up. But to pretend there's literally nothing trending upward? Absurd. Our D was straight up open ass today. Trash. Yet we were in the game until the end because we actually have a QB now. Prior to Cam, this game would've been a curb stomping. Cam allows us to compete. Obviously we weren't good enough today to translate competing into winning, but two weeks ago we would've lost this game by 20+ points and it would've been over by the midway point of the 3rd quarter.

Cool... we get it... you're in midair... after jumping off the cliff... so what are you actually trying to bring to the conversation? Besides... you know... typing like this and being in unconsolable despair?

I'm ready to replace both coordinators. Because I'm ready to fire Matt Rhule barring a dramatic turnaround.

We need to be smarter about match up football. Yes, Burns and Reddick are very good pass rushers. But against teams who have the game plan and ability to cram the ball down our throats, Gross-Matos and Fox probably need to be our base DEs with Burns and Reddick used more strategically as situational pass rushers. I'm not saying take them out of the game, but basically those guys should probably be pretty much splitting snaps with Gross-Matos and Fox in those match ups.

We can compete with Cam even when the D straight up sucks. That's what I'm saying. Not trying to make you feel better.

Now imagine what today's game looks like with Sam Darnold at QB.

Bingo. It's the coaches' job to get the players to do their job. If they can't, then they're not good coaches.

Funny how the WRs can suddenly catch again now that they no longer have to worry about Darnold throwing them into trainwreck hits.

I'm not ready to just move on from Brady. I'm ready to move on from Rhule too.

Fug thinking about the playoffs. A big part of why we're flailing is because this team is way too quick to start feeling themselves. We had Fitts and Rhule openly talking about playoffs at 3-0. We proceed to faceplant. We sign Cam and beat the hell out of a badly shorthanded Cardinals team and then we faceplant against a bad Washington team. This team has to learn to just take things one game at a time.

You made a decent point here. Rhule got taken to school by the HC Tepper fired to hire him and his D he's spent all of our resources for the last two years building made a QB cut to pursue the likes of Teddy and Darnold (LOL!) look like prime Drew Brees. Yikes. NOT a good look.

Rhule got sold HARD on Rhule but without strong indications that he's developing as a HC, I wouldn't call it "patience" to keep him. I'd call it hard headedness. I raised the concerns when we hired Rhule. The guy never beat any actual good college teams. I figured it up and I think he was something along the lines of 2-19 vs. ranked teams off the top of my head with the two ranked wins coming against ECU and Navy teams that just happened to blip into the rankings when they faced Temple. He never beat a ranked opponent while at Baylor.

People (including myself) were quick to crown Brady after the dramatic offensive turnaround at LSU, but in hindsight I think that was more of a condemnation of their OC's prior offensive system that had last been seen when football was played wearing leather helmets. They had a stud NFL QB. A guy who already looks like the best WR in football as a rookie. Multiple NFL OLs. A legit starting NFL RB. I mean, they were fuging LOADED with talent. Hindsight being 20/20, yeah what they did was impressive as hell but it's not as shocking as it looked at the time simply because the turnaround was so dramatic.

I really thought limitations at QB had a lot to do with it. If we don't see a big improvement next week with Cam having adequate time with the team to start really opening up the playbook then I'm done with him too. Though honestly, Rhule has made him completely change his entire offensive approach. Brady needs to go to Matt and say, "Hey, now that we have an actual QB, will you let me actually go back to running the offense you brought me here to run?"

I agree with the thread title. Now marinate on that for a moment. We got out-game planned, out-schemed, and out-coached by Ron fuging Rivera. That was the last straw for me on Matt Rhule and company. Barring a dramatic turnaround I'm ready to move on after this season.

Yep. We've spent too many resources on THIS team and it has left use absolutely strapped for draft capital next April.

Honestly, Kris Jenkins minus the weight and motivation issues was what I was expecting out of Brown. You can go back and look. That was the comp I always made for Derrick Brown.

That's the type of impact you're looking for taking a DT in the top 10. Some would call Star disappointing but at least he was dominant against the run. Brown has just been... well, just kinda there. He hasn't really stood out in any particular way. If he was a 3rd rounder we'd be happy but he was a top 10 pick.

Cam was pretty damn good today for a QB with about 10 days with the playbook. I thought most of Brady's situational play calling issues were probably due to limitations at QB but now I'm starting to come around to the idea that he just sucks at situational play calling. We lost this game on D though. WFT did whatever they wanted and dominated the TOP. 190 rushing yards allowed and a 73% completion percentage. Yikes. You're going to win very few games when you allow that type of offensive efficiency.

I LOVED the Brown pick but man, not gonna lie he's been underwhelming. Not the impact player I was expecting. You don't want a "good" DT in the top 10. You want a game wrecker. We haven't seen that from Brown.

Evidently it's talking billionaires out of millions.

Yep. If you want to try to run to borders against us, best of luck. We have the speed to feast on that. But if you line up heavy and keep it between the tackles... uh oh.