JawnyBlaze

It was probably something more along the lines of “we hope you make it to 33 because we’d love to make you a Panther” which is a far cry from “we’re definitely drafting you at 33 if you’re there” but an easy twist for the player to change it to “they told me they’ll draft me at 33”

Three firsts is what you pay for a QB, not the first non-QB.

Yea that’s pretty wild. Would be awful.

Well when you get to be his age you gotta be careful.

Joseph Person is the Mel Kiper of sports journalists.

Sure, I wish in addition to picking the right QB we had given Burns instead of Moore, but offensive pieces are a lot easier to find than the QB. You gotta do what you gotta do to get that piece.

Denying him a legit OL for most of his career shortened his career. Shula’s dumbass shortened his career (don’t ask for evidence. Just trust me on this).

I concur with that recounting. I didn’t want Herbert because I wasn’t impressed with what I saw from him. I was very wrong and saw that immediately when we played them that year.

Sometimes you have to. You just gotta pick the right one. The trade up to 1 wasn’t the problem imo. If we had taken Stroud we’d be sitting pretty.

I haven’t done much research this year. Last year taught me that educating myself on the prospects and being absolutely right about who we should pick makes it sting more when we don’t take the right pick and I’m proven right. With that said, if I could have my pick of the maybe possibles: #33: Ladd #39: best Center, I’ll go with JPJ if a name is needed

Another way to look at it (not entirely accurate, but in effect) we will have traded Burns and dropped six spots in the second for three extra second round picks. That’s a win in my book, better than just a second for Burns.

Why all this “has to be picks this year” sentiment? Giants will surely be picking high again next year, so that second will still be high. Assuming around the same as the 39 they gave us this year. We still get a pick in the second this year from them (47). It’s not like we’d have to wait long for our next pick (39). We’re not in win now mode, two seconds will help more than one second, even if it is six picks earlier than our first second this year would be after the trade. I’d rather have their second next year than their third this year, it’s a better pick and will assumably turn into a better player. That’s what we need long term, not more bodies this year. We may also need that second rd pick next year to trade up high enough for our new QB next year if we’re still bad but not quite as bad as this year. If we’re picking at 7 or 8 next year, we’d probably need to trade up for a QB. That’s far more important than whatever we could get in the third this year.

I’d definitely take that trade, especially if we still get Ladd at 39.

Yea. Don’t like it at all, but everything would be improved with black helmets . It’s our worst combo for sure.

I’m not arguing Fitterer was better, but if you look at the whole body of picks I don’t think there’s a big gap.

Yea in that one single pick comparison.

I wouldn’t deny Hurney was better, but the gap ain’t that big. Yea Hurney drafted some really good players in the first but he still had some misses there. If we’re going to fault Fitterer for Horn’s injury history, we have to give Hurney a big L on Otah.

Hurney had many more drafts too. He hit on an average of one pick per draft, the first one. He gets the edge because his one hit was usually better than Fitterers. But he was a bad GM too.

I’m quite confident that Shaq’s injury forced him to play Luvu out of position cuz he was the only guy that could. The OGs will prove their worth, whether it’s for Bryce or for the guy we get next year. A stout interior OL is critical for a young QB, not to mention the run game.

Yep. Half the huddle was whining about him being a bust because he wasn’t getting sacks while half of us saw how he was actually affecting the defense. I was waiting for a human to make a thread about this but it never happened so I figure it’s time to chime in heh. Very pleased about this, we gave the right DL the big extension. I saw some jackssses saying on Facebook that were losers for extending a guy that was on a 2-15 team and that kind of ignorance will never cease to amaze me. Aikman’s first year I think they won one game, so I guess they should have gotten rid of all those hall of gamers before they even got started.

I’m not a homer, I’m just not emotionally scarred by a bad season. I’ve seen them before. Doesn’t mean we don’t have good players. BC is average sure, but for where he was taken that’s a good pick. Chuba is an average starter, so ditto. Icky only sucked last year, there’s history revision going on but it’s an emotional response to last year. His first year he had some sucky moments but overall very good. Horn played most of year before last and about 1/3 of last year. Can’t predict injuries like that. When he’s on the field he’s a lockdown corner. I’m not saying Fitts drafts weren’t piss poor but he did hit on some. Hurney was bad too but he also hit on some. If I had to compare the two I’d give Hurney the slight edge, but at least we don’t have to worry about this owner being stupid enough to rehire Fitts.

I mean of the CBs, Horn was the right pick. Parsons and Luke are different roles but yes in retrospect yea Parsons would have been better for us.

Can’t say I’m wild about Nix but I wouldn’t immediately hate it. I DO prefer to just draft complimentary pieces for whomever we draft as our new QB next year, but if they’re sold on someone this year, I’ll wait and see how it plays out before saying how I felt all along But if I’m taking someone at 33 that might be there, I’d probably prefer Penix to Nix.

He was really good his rookie year. He wasn’t perfect, he had rookie moments, but he was certainly really good. I saw no struggling “mightily”. He was better vs the run, but still decent against the pass over the course of the season.

Horn is elite when healthy and was the right pick. He’s better than Surtain and the injuries couldn’t be predicted. Ickey is really good, one down year in a clusterfug of bad coaching and Mr. No Pocket Presence doesn’t change that. I’m confident he’ll get back on track. Christiansen and Chuba are decent.