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You are forgetting we are at home, where we play much better, and the Dolphins are on the road, where they play much worse. I think we win, and this starts the McDaniel will be fired talk. Still think we only win 4 games, but Miami at home is probably the easiest we'll have all season Is Coker coming back? I thought he was eligible this week

Teams likely going to draft at QB Saints, Raiders, Panthers, Jets, Browns Teams thinking about drafting a QB Steelers, Rams (time to groom someone behind Stafford), Dolphins (Tua seems to have run his course), Titans (If Cam Ward goes 0-17 and gets Rosen'd and they completely clean house which is possible), Cardinals (maybe one more year from giving up on Kyler), Eagles (I think they take one in the top 3 rounds because Hurts doesn't appear to be making progress as a passer) That's an awful lot of teams and so far the draft class isn't that solid so that's scary. I think for sure 4 1st round QB's get picked, and probably 5, and Allar could be the 6th at the end of the 1st. So yeah, Sellers is getting picked. I just hope we end up with Dante Moore, Mateer, or Nussmeier, and not Sellers, Mendoza, or Allar. In reality 4 out of the 6 will bust, and I don't think we are skilled/lucky enough to pick the franchise QB.

If they want to draft a 1st round QB they can’t keep Canales, otherwise you are locking into him for 3 more years. If the Panthers suck the rest of the season you have to do it. I think Day will be the next Harbaugh if he jumps up, but I doubt he’d come here unless Tepper would throw eleventy billion dollars at him.

Mac didn’t attempt a single pass past 25 yards, and only one pass 20. You guys would just turn on him here immediately if we signed him

Christ. We don’t have patience for XL because he isn’t trying. He’s not hustling on the field, making lazy attempt at catches, and not blocking at all. Bryce may suck but he’s at least trying.

The problem is many, many other teams have this issue and the draft bust rate is as high as ever. Cam Ward looks worse than Bryce did his rookie year and he just went #1 overall. We saw how bad our other QB's were in the preseason. Put in Hooker, sure okay he might run a little more, but we are still getting blown out and our WR's still won't get the ball.

Look beyond the record, the Browns compete despite complete zero's on the offensive side of the ball due to Watson's cap hit and injuries to players. Now, we have just as bad as an owner if not worse, so maybe he wouldn't win any more here, but I think he's a good coach who gets the players ready to play

Good coaches are competitive with crap QBs. Look at Stefanski (who we should hire if he gets canned). Canales is not. He has to go. Good play caller, but offers nothing else that is head coach material. Bryce Young doesn’t play run defense or special teams.

Christ. The one game I’m going to (already had tickets before the season) Collins is legendary

Bryce Young

There were certain posters on here that wanted to give Jake Browning a big contract this offseason because they've had enough of Bryce. He looks pitiful.

Actually you can still have a chance when you don't have a QB. John Fox made it work with Tim fuging The Golden Calf of Bristol. Quincy Carter made the playoffs. Mark Sanchez. There's plenty of data on teams competing hard, even when not winning, when they have a terrible QB. It's hard, but you can. Something tells me if you put Dalton in the rest of the season the team will still go 4-13 or worse. There's no excuse for Panthers sucking all three phases. Canales clearly can't figure it out, or he doesn't have the balls to make changes, so he has to go. He's running the same poo. He and Evero both. There are no adjustments at halftime.

There's some good pieces here, but the team has no direction or leadership, the GM appears to be in over his head, the owner has no idea how to hire the right people for the job and gutted the culture out of the team, the head coach is a decent play caller but not a head coach, and there are crappy QB options in the draft and free agency so we basically have to hope for a miracle. I say forget about the offense and just start drafting defense until the right QB and coach comes along. At the very least you can be a good defensive team with a running game

I mean Dak is still a top 12 QB. Have you seen the QB play around the league? If ya'll are too picky to take someone like Dak, then I don't know what to tell you to fix our problems here. Just keep drafting QB's for that 1 in 10 shot they'll be a top 10 QB? Theres been so many bad QBs lately

I think Dak would be really good on a properly built team.

Tennessee might go 0-17, they are that bad. Maybe they win one or two after their fire their coach.

If we draft a rookie in the 1st and keep Canales, we are going 4-13 or worse next year, so I don't get the point in keeping him. We'd have to hit a one in a million draft pick and I just don't see this team doing that. I don't know why some of you are celebrating this loss, this just proves that next season is pointless as well unless we go after a veteran QB

Just going on eye test without looking at stats or metrics or whatever Mateer looks and plays like Herbert and Mayfield. Mendoza reminds me of Mariota, I would be worried about him the most in the NFL. Just kinda that same offense Mariota was in, it may take a while to transition Sellers, some mix of Cam Ward and Roethlisberger, if he could be accurate passing downfield... the rest of this season is critical but as of right now I would be worried if we took him as well Nussmeier reminds me of Kirk Cousins I want no part of Manning, Allar or the Clemson guy

I can't believe he said that. "I can only do so much" Bro, you aren't even trying out there. The film doesn't lie. Completely out on this guy. Maybe we can fleece the Cowboys again for a 2nd rounder

Well he only got one last year, a 5th rounder in CSW. Its a shame because there was so much quality talent around the XL and Brooks picks. Maybe he learned

Renfrow isn't in playing shape, he can't block and looks so small out there. He'll be better later in the season once he gets his legs and strength back. It really blows that XL isn't there mentally. I hope Tet plays. I came into the thread looking for updates and instead we are talking about Adam Thielen's wife. We need Coker back ASAP. If Coker can stay healthy, He's a good #2 to Tet even if its in the slot. David Moore can play for now since he actually blocks and knows what he's doing, even if he's slow. I like Brycen but he needs more time to learn blocking

Renfrow and Brycen are getting trucked when blocking, that is why David Moore is playing. Those two got to get stronger. I know AT isn't doing anything in Minnesota but he at least was a serviceable blocker. Renfrow will probably shine later in the season when he gets back into playing shape

This is why people are tired of these posts. Bryce has been bad no doubt, and he has to play better or we will be looking for a new QB after the season. But the same 5 posters in every thread suggesting that PJ Walker or Sam Howell or Aiden O'Connell would be winning more games is asinine and borders on delusion. None of those players are better than Dalton and he was AWFUL last year. There are about 10-11 serviceable QB's in the world - Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Mahomes, Stafford, Goff, Dak, Baker, Love, Daniels, Hurts (and only because he is playing on a stacked team, Hurts would be bad here), Daniel Jones (who I think is a mirage and will Darnold back to earth), and we don't have one. It is what it is. Replacing the 29th best QB with someone in the 30's or 50's isn't changing a damn thing on this team. Both Bryce and Canales are to blame. The offense cannot be this bad with this much invested in it. Even with Bryce not throwing downfield, Canales has to scheme better and be more creative. We have a talented running game yet everything we've ran so far is very vanilla.

He literally fumbled the game away against the Commanders of all teams last playoffs

Let's start Dalton then since he has more than both of them Edit: My bad, Dalton never won in the playoffs despite going there 4 times, yowzers How did that go last year again? If anyone is moving goalposts it's you. Conveniently ignoring how shitty the QB play has been across the league. Bryce has not been playing well, but so has 20 other team's QB's. There is no simple solution. We draft another one, they have a 80% chance to be the same or worse.