jayboogieman

If they don't think Darnold is good enough to be the guy, then they traded one glaring hole(Teddy) for another(Sam). And that is stupid for a team saying they want more picks in the draft, not less since they traded picks for Darnold.

The Hornets aren't going to give all three big contracts since they are all guards. You have Miles and PJ coming up in the next year or two as well. Plus whoever at center. And then Hayward's big contract. There is only so much money they can pay without going into the tax and MJ won't pay the tax for a non contending team. He might not be willing to pay it for a contending team.

I don't see those guys doing team friendly deals. All are young and will want to make as much as they can especially since some team will overpay for one or more of them. Terry might decide to go ring chasing too.

Rookie contracts count at other positions besides just QB. DEs, CBs, and OTs make as much as the example range you gave. Having guys at those positions on rookie deals does just as much good as having a QB on a rookie deal. Why not draft a QB every year? Because it is dumb and a waste of draft capital that would be better spent putting other cheap young talent on the team. Teams aren't going to trade for backup QBs just because you want them to. Grier and Walker have little to no value. Do you really think teams would trade for them just because they are on cheap deals?

If Sewell is there and they trade back, they're idiots. Depends on the value of the coins. Sometimes that 1 dime is a lot more valuable than 2 nickels. Sewell(dime) would be more valuable than two lesser talents(nickels) since he is an elite prospect in the draft and at a position of a long running need. There really aren't any true shutdown corners anymore. The rules just don't allow it.

The how quick can I make my 2 billion back guy.

Only 1080p? I was hoping for at least 4K.

Just because fans and the media have hyped the class doesn't mean they are that good or will live up to the hype. Next year will have guys hyped up just like this year. Instead of showing that this is a highly thought of class by the NFL, it could show that SF is desperate and being stupid. Why do you keep bringing up Darnold in this discussion? I've never once mentioned him.

And how many times have highly touted classes not panned out? How many times have sure fire, can't miss prospects not panned out? Especially QBs? NFL history is littered with prospects and classes that didn't live up to the hype. SF just didn't overpay, they blew up the market. A few years ago that trade was for the number one QB prospect. Now it is for third best. SF screwed over every other team for years to come.

No. That is proof that SF is desperate and dumb enough to trade 3 1sts for who they think is the third best QB.

If something is no longer fun, then I stop watching or doing it. I refuse to let something like football, (insert other thing here), get to me. There is too much we can't control. I can control how I spend my off time though.

I felt the same about the previous owner and regime. At this point I'll just wait and see what happens. If the team keeps making the same sort of mistakes they did under the previous owner, I'll just quit watching. So far the new guys have been meh. I can find other things to do on a Sunday afternoon than watch something that I have no hope in or get joy from watching.

The GM did say he liked to take developmental QBs in the mid rounds. If they draft a QB this year, that is probably where it'll happen.

True. That statement reminds me of this scene.

You guys should read and/or exercise more.

I want a tackle too, but I'm starting to feel like they are going to mess around, trade back, draft a CB, and then miss out on the top tackles as a run happens at the end of the first and before the Panthers pick in the second. They'll probably end up drafting a guy in the 6th or 7th rounds that doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever playing outside of preseason and camp. Or they are then forced to to trade up before the second round pick and loss whatever they gained from trading back. Either of those two scenarios are the most Panther things ever.

The bolded part derails your draft the QB in the first round argument. As you stated, 4 winning seasons with an elite WR and franchise QB. The Panthers had 3 winning seasons with a franchise QB(Cam). A good team can win with an average QB. A franchise QB can't win without a good team. The best thing the Panthers could do is draft impact players at positions of need. They seem to think QB is no longer a need. They might be right and they might be wrong. Either Darnold has a Delhomme like turn or proves he's the next Clausen and leads to the next franchise QB. Either way the Panthers win. If the Panthers draft a QB, it'll probably be a developmental guy in the mid rounds since that is what the GM says he prefers to do.

Considering telling the future is beyond humanity, yeah, you don't know what the future holds. You called guys bums when you have zero idea of who they might be before they are signed or drafted by the Panthers. That's being negative. Is Fields or one of the other big five QBs in this class a bum if they get drafted by the Panthers and take over for Darnold at some point during the season or next year? Your paying for PSLs doesn't matter nor would it matter if you never watch a game in person. I'm not high on Tepper or the people he's hired, but I'll give them a chance just like I'll give Darnold a chance.

I've never liked the it's too early to take player X argument. If he's the guy the team wants, take him regardless of what others think. This is especially true if you really fear he won't be there if you trade back. You're one of the most negative people I've seen post here. You have no idea what the future holds and are complaining about it. It's football, not life or death. Depends on the dime and nickels. Some are worth a lot more than others. Watson was never a real option. The Texans never stated they were willing to trade him. Also, did you mean SF? Because it makes no sense to contact them to trade the pick they just gave up 3 first rounders for. The Panthers did really goof on the Teddy situation. If they were all in on someone that was not on the trade market or a free agent, that shows very poor judgement by the braintrust. And if it is true, it could mean the future will not be bright for the Panthers.

A cool actor with a great name in a kickass movie. I saw the Wyatt Earp/Tombstone episode of American Lawmen. Kurt Russell was one of the people that talked and he came across as such a Wyatt Earp fanboy.

Those teams you named also had established starters at QB with more complete teams around them. They could afford to take a QB in the first to sit and develop. The Panthers don't. Maybe, maybe not. The Panthers may be sold on Darnold being the guy and not want to draft a QB early. They may decide to take one in the later rounds as a developmental guy though. Just because they are saying they might take a QB doesn't mean it'll be in the first. The GM did say he liked taking developmental guys in the mid to late rounds every couple of years. That could be what they are talking about. You keep assuming Darnold is just a break glass in case of emergency type move. They very well may think he can be a franchise QB and are content. You're also assuming a good or decent tackle will be available at 39. There could be a run on tackles in the late first and before the Panthers pick in the second. If all those guys starter type guys are gone, then what? Whine and moan all season as whoever is QB gets hammered repeatedly? Only Marty thought Clausen was a starter. Nobody really thought Moore was a starter either. Reports even said he tried to trade up into the first to take Clausen, but the other GMs saved Marty from himself. Clausen and Moore also didn't have a good coaching staff. Fox and Co were checked out and on cruise control in his lame duck season. The playoff teams also have pretty good lines, which the Panthers don't. Depending on how the staff feels about Darnold, they may think they have their QB despite what you think.

I'm not a bookie, so I have no idea what the odds are. Can't really play the what if game as other things could have happened to keep the Panthers out of the the playoffs. What if the teams the Panthers played had played better? What if the Panthers have more injuries? You could go on and on. Multiple picks might help the team if the players pan out. Same is true if they pick an LT, QB, or something else at 8. All we actually know is that the Panthers are currently positioned to have their choice of several very good players at 8. We also know it is past time to get a top flight LT to help protect whoever is the QB they trot out. Darnold is a guy that has thrown 39 picks in 38 games. He could be awful enough to throw picks on game winning drives in multiple games. That said, the hope is that he proves to be a franchise QB. I'm not a UNC homer, but from what I've seen of Howell is pretty good. He has potential and could end up better than most of the QBs in this class. Time will tell. It's been reported that the Panthers are not sold on some of the top 5 QBs in this class and have compared Darnold to them. They traded for Darnold. It doesn't matter if it was to cover their bases or because they believe he can be the guy. He's on the team now and I'll hope for his success. If he doesn't pan out and if the team is in a better spot next season, and they decide to trade up for a QB, so be it. If they were to trade up next year and the team is still in a bad spot, just like this year, I wouldn't like it at all.

If Sam can't be fixed, odds are the Panthers will end up with a worse record and higher draft pick. Not true. Taking what could be an elite player at another position benefits the team, especially if it is an LT.

I get that. A lot of that problem was the previous regime ignoring the Oline or dumpster diving for players. Hopefully the new guys will do better. I disagree. The Panthers have had guys that were below average, average, and maybe above average on the line. Those generally don't work out well for long, if they ever work out at all. You can't have all pro players at every position, but you can have good ones at the positions that matter most. The Oline is supposed to be part of that group of positions that matter most. Panther fans just haven't seen it treated as such in a decade or so.

You can make that same argument for every position except QB. I think it really comes down to how dominate the guy is. If I was a GM, I would rather have and pay a guy that rarely gives up a sack or pressure vs two guys that were decent and gave up several pressures and a few sacks each.