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Simple. He was down 2 starting corners and was starting practice squad guys. Second there was supposed to be safety coverage over the top which was late. Why the confusion? Because Wilks was down several staff including in the secondary. So he wasn't able to get them the practice they needed and do everything else as a head coach. . I read Wilks was having to work with individual players in the secondary himself because he was short on staff and there was so much to do.

Who might win 10 games in this division if not us? And how does that mesh with all the excuses that are already being pushing by huddlers that we could have a losing season and make progress because our roster is so bad.

Sounds like a lot of huddlers who keep talking about the only place to find your franchise QB is in the top 10 might disagree with you.

I really wanted Wilks as head coach and Reich as OC although I can see that they both wanted the head coaching job and not a coordinator.

I wonder how hard Wilks would have worked if he had been told he wasn't in the running. I agree he wasn't and just got the interviews because Wilks has the support of players and fans

The funny thing is that I said before we hired him that Reich is my second choice. I am not against Reich at all. But fair is fair and there was definitely a different standard applied to Wilks so that I don't think he would have been chosen no matter what. Like you I don't think it was racially motivated but I do think it surely wasn't as objective as folks want you to believe. And Reich went 12-13 last year and this year until he was fired so the idea he was the absolute best candidate is certainly not as clear as folks want you to believe.

So do you think he did a good job adjusting?? 12-13 over that time.

So what happened if he isn't running the same scheme the past year and a half..

And how well did he accomplish these goals. I didn't pay attention to Indy the last few years.

Why would we focus on what Pederson ran years ago in Philly instead of the last 4 years with Indy when he was head coach? Is he running the same scheme now or not? I didn't follow Indy so I don't have a clue but I know what the Eagles run now.

So if Reich doesn't do better than 500 in a weak division next year should he be considered a failure like Wilks? And the emphasis on the Tampa game as the end all- be all is ridiculous. We were down both our starting corners and were playing our practice squaders. What exactly was he supposed to do? Make all kinds of adjustments when we are down several coaches on defense and didn't even have enough time to install a great game plan. Whether Reich was a better option is still very much up for debate. That Reich was clearly better isn't so obvious either or we won't be having all this debate in the media.

I want Reich to see what we have, get who we can, and then match the scheme to our strengths instead of trying to make players fit roles they may not do well. We ran last year because our quarterback play was poor and our line struggled to pass block. And that is the issue. Until you have all the players to run your scheme, you have to adapt the scheme to get the most out of what you have.

What are you responding to? Not what I said which had nothing to do with why we hired Reich. Truth is Wilks had little chance to win the job and it was going to go to an offensive coach. My point was that there are different standards in play. So Wilks had to go to the playoffs and some said win a playoff game but next year if Reich goes below 500 that is fine. And as an interim coach we shouldn't hire Wilks because most interim coaches dont have a winning record moving forward. So we hire Reich who will likely have an easy schedule next year like this year but he shouldn't be expected to win next year but Wilks would have been crucified if he didnt. If you can see the different standard you have your eyes closed.

It really comes down to how the OC melds with Reich and whether he can carry out what he wants.

I agree I don't think it was racist either and it isn't based on records or other things other than Tepper is focused on football and has made unpopular decisions like hiring Eric Reid in the past regardless of what was going on ignoring the racial implications. But yeah on the surface it looks unfair although not racist from my viewpoint.

Again you are doing the same things folks are accusing other people of doing, justifying Reich's hire by making excuses when you didn't do the same for Wilks. You could actually make a strong case that Wilks did a much better job than Reich. Sure you can keep falling back on the excuse of offense versus defense but that is basically it. No way did Reich earn this job on his coaching but his potential which we will all see soon enough.

Yeah he sets the tone and likely know what he wants to do but the idea that we will be great on offense because Reich knows offense may not be true if we dont have good coaches on the offensive side. He needs to get the OC right or the advantage of having Reich might be somewhat muted.

Aren't we constantly being told that draft position makes all the difference and you can't find a QB late in the draft? How many snaps did Purdy take in the regular season before he started. You seem to have taken the illogical to another level. And you missed the whole point which is that a good scheme can make even a marginal QB look much better than they would be just based on draft position. And if we get one of the top qbs in the league, then if Reich is as good as advertised then he should have them playing at a high level much like Purdy.

Exactly. You can argue that Tepper can hire who he wants and doesn't have to answer to anyone but the optics are really bad and there is lots of reasons to believe Wilks didn't get a fair shake here. I don't think it was racist but I can see how it could appear that way.

Again that is what was reported.

We beat Seattle on the road and won 4 of 6 in our division this year and was a missed field goal from going 5-1. Tell me again why we we will not win the division which guarantees a home playoff game. And none of the other teams I mentioned had a winning record in 2022. All these excuses for why we won't win in 2023. I can't imagine if we went even 7-10 again under Wilks everyone would be giving Wilks the same pass that Reich seems to get.

The problem is that it looks bad when you hire a white coach who got fired in 2022 with a 3-5 :record and he is hired over a black coach who took a dysfunctional team and produced a 6-6 record which is much better and came within a broken wrist away from taking us to the playoffs. You can hide behind the notion that Tepper wanted an offensive guy but the expectation that Wilkes has to go to the playoffs versus Reich got fired and immediately gets hired again on the surface surely fuels the discussion there were 2 different standards. Especially given a report from one of our writers that Wilkes had a good plan on offense.

Not really different as all. Baker was the reason we started so slow and the way he played it was pretty much terrible. We would have better off if he didnt play at all. How many games did we win with Baker? And did we hang onto him because he was starter material or we had no one else due to injuries. Again he was pretty much gone and useless.

And you act as if 2023 in the NFC South won't be another down year. Truth is that it is 6 games against teams in the division we will be favored in. Add in Indy, Seattle, houston, and Chicago. That is 10 games against teams likely to have losing seasons. Tell me again how it would be fine if we go below 500 with this schedule. That doesn't include what would happen to Green Bay without Rodgers or Tennessee if they struggle. No it looks with the exception of a few games our schedule next year may be wesker than this year. So this idea that 2022 was easy may be true but we should have another easy schedule next year. So what is the excuse if we don't go better than 500 in 2023. That would be a setback given the likely weak schedule and the opportunity to fill some of these glaring holes and in light of how we finished this year on a 4-2 run.

San Fran with Lance and the Jets with Wilson would unfortunately agree. San Fran gave up multiple 1s and have little to show for it. No guarantee our draft pick will work out regardless of where we pick. You can't put all your eggs in that basket. I am glad we have Corral as well. He was a good value .