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yeah that's a pretty big knock. I mean its not insurmountable, but its definitely an issue.

forced to choose between young and stroud, i'd likely go stroud but i'd be really happy with either. i think stroud has the highest floor between the two but young has the highest ceiling, but aside from a couple distinctions i think they're about the same level of talent. stroud has size and he's a better passer. young is a dynamic playmaker. young would be more exciting, but we'd be better off with either of them.

if the goal is to grow a good mustache then minshew would be a great mentor. as a QB mentor ...i don't know about that.

he's got some of the worst luck with injuries in football. i just don't see how that couldn't carry over into the NFL. otherwise i like him, but those injuries....i'd be fine letting someone else take that risk.

one of them has to pan out eventually

Poorly run teams make poor decisions. Texans poor choice could make it easier for us to make a better choice. Problem we have is that we are a poorly run organization as well. I've got a feeling it's not going to be if we shoot ourselves in the foot, but just how badly we do it.

We can only hope.

This

Coin flip on Young and Stroud for me. Also not liking Levis at all, but I've got a feeling we'll be drafting him and then winding up drafting a QB again in 2024 when we realize he's Pickles 2.0

i'd take leaf over this guy. he takes it to a whole new level of douche.

Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Hopefully with better payoff, but I think that's the kind of thing we need to try just to make sure we get our QB.

Take the best QB available in the first then Hooker in the 4th if he's still there. Worth a shot.

Yes, he can help us get an earlier pick, but starting him also turns a 5th into a 4th and we can lose with another QB. No need to put him out there anymore. I've seen all I need to know he sucks.

He played scared all year. He's just not good.

Ok..let's go.

No.

i think i'm just more concerned about making sure that we have the best possible HC here than i am having an elite QB. having that coach takes a ton of pressure off making sure we've got some hopeful stud QB with the #1 or #2 pick.

yes, that would be ideal, but what if you don't have both options available? what if the best choice available for a QB isn't a perennial all-pro, but can be a pretty solid starter...but the HC is a top tier guy? would that be better than getting that all-pro caliber QB but having a coach who is just ok at stuff? which would you rather have or would get the team further? a great HC or a great QB?

good idea

lol all this discussion about "would a HC pass up a bad team" isn't answering the question in the OP. it doesn't matter just how realistic you might think the scenario is. what is more important for the franchise, not the coaching prospect, the franchise...getting the right HC or getting the best prospective QB?

payton is a good relevant example. he's not going to go to any team with an opening because some situations and cultures are much more difficult than others. you've got to think that up and coming HCs will have some teams/situations that would be a preference and some that they would really rather not get sucked into, and only would if there were a lack of opportunities or too much money to pass up. it's quite possible that some might just look at the openings available to them and decide they'd rather wait until next year.

do they want the worst situation or not the worst situation? not all bad teams are equally bad.

i'm just curious and it's just a hypothetical. for example, if steichen is the guy that everyone wants and he has a choice of several teams, would he want a team that needs a total rebuild but has the first overall or a team that is just a few pieces and good leadership away from being competitive, but didn't have a top 5 pick. which would be more appealing?