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That's the ideal. The other is an easier and more realistic option. considering the poo that we've had to deal with for so long, I'll take it and grin. I want to get a ring before ATL and before the saints get another and I'll take whatever we can get to make that happen.

i just know i was pretty hostile to rivera back then. i wanted him GONE and i was pretty adamant about it. with rhule...i'm more apathetic about it. i want him gone, but i'm also resigned to the idea that he's probably going to be here next year and we're probably going to suck again and my reaction to that is... i mean i just don't really care that much anymore.

going all out on OL this offseason should be the #1 priority no matter who is coach. i wouldn't have a problem with tomlin at all. i just want a hard-nosed guy that just gets the job done and has proven to get the job done at a high level. i don't actually care if he's been a HC before, but considering the mess we have it might be good to have some experience doing the job.

tbh, i don't really care about long term. if he can get us a ring i don't care how long he's here.

Playoffs or layoffs coming. One or the other. Might not fire Rhule while the season is going but if he's going to do it, it will be after our last game.

Armstead has to be priority #1. Followed by whoever the best FA center is, then Norwell or someone of that caliber. Basically quit fuggin around get that OL fixed for real. Throw as much money as you can at it to get the best possible OL.

I hope you're right. Pick trading still makes me nervous because of Hurney. I don't want to create a deficit in '23 because we screwed '22 up.

getting screwed on draft picks is going to be hard to overcome.

Take a look at our 2022 draft picks, this OL, and this QB situation and think to yourself, "how desperate for an HC job does a guy have to be to want to step into this clusterfug?" I don't care how much money you throw at someone, no one's gonna want this poo. Also, if they are that desperate, do we really want them?

Dead horse wasn't beat enough, I guess.

i'd say it wasn't as much an issue. he inherited a pretty good one to start with but he kept plugging in decent players as needed. it was at least a priority.

fox was just as bad. i mean is that something we look for in a HC? is that a cultural thing here? i guess it is. how weird.

i was getting ready to say it's like rivera never left.

Y'all are nuts. We're drafting another corner.

True. I think Fox was better than Rivera at that first part. Would Rivera had gotten to the Superbowl without Cam as QB and Luke running the defense? Fox kicked the team in the nads early (literally in their first meeting in together) and that woke them up. Rivera was too interested in being their buddy. He always wished he had a coach that coddled him so he coddled players like he wish he had been.

in the last few years of fox we would have these discussions about whether or not to move on from him. i wanted him gone in 3 or 4 years before he was gone and people would argue to keep him because he was the best coach we ever had, after all he'd taken the team to the superbowl! why would we EVER want to move on from a coach that took us to the SUPERBOWL?!?!?!?! well...because we weren't getting any better. we had peaked early and had stagnated. moving on from him was the best thing to do and it was the truth several years before he was fired. for the first couple years rivera was here, we stunk, esp. that second year (or was it the third year? idk). there were all kinds of people pissed and wanted him gone (myself included), but somehow he stuck around for longer and we ended up going to the superbowl. because he took us to the superbowl should we have kept him around? nope. by that same token, since the guy we replaced him with has sucked so far does that mean we should have kept rivera around? nope. just means we shouldn't have replaced rivera with rhule. of course does this mean that we should stick with rhule for another couple years because after rivera sucked the first couple years and then he didn't (but then he did later)? *shrug*

People have too strong an emotional attachment to players. We don't want them treated like commodities when we feel they are special, but when they don't live up to expectations, especially because they friggin keep getting hurt, we need to cut bait rather than extend them. But you mention that and people go beserk, but what happens when you don't treat them like commodities is this kind of poo. Choose what's best for the team long term rather than what's best for these special players we like so much.

Fly away, young turk. Fly away.

Btw, we're panther fans. We already have strong stomachs.

I do know if Rhule is still here, I don't want him poaching 2023 draft picks. Roll with what you got, buddy. You dug that grave. You best go ahead and get cozy.

of course. season is over.

Yes, they put together a good defense. So long and thanks for all the fish. Now let's get a coaching staff that can put together a complete team and play a complete game.

I'd rather find a way for him to be someone else's HoF caliber player who never plays because he's always hurt.

This is a big thing. I have no problem hiring guys you know and have worked with before, but Rhule takes it way too far. His whole team would be made up of coaches and players from Baylor and Temple if it were up to him.