2014 Panthers vs. 2013 Panthers

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

Where did I say that?

 

"seemingly not give a single fug," when in reality we have two people the coaching staff believes are very capable competing for the LT spot in camp. Again, let me repeat.. just b/c we didn't panic draft doesn't mean they "don't give a fug."

[Ruff]

You're right...the better QB won the Super Bowl last year. Oh, wait....

How many rings does Brady have? How many season where the patriots went to the Super Bowl did they have a top 3 defense?

It's easy to cherry pick your cases. The fact of the matter is, QBs win games.

If you don't think so, you're saying that we could've replaced Cam with Clausen and won the same amount of games last season?

[Carl Spackler]

People should remember, rookie WRs often struggle...I see a lot of bitching in September and October...but I think KB will get some yards and TDs. Just be patient with him too. 

 

Please don't suck, Kelvin. Haha

[RoaringRiot]

How many rings does Brady have? How many season where the patriots went to the Super Bowl did they have a top 3 defense?

It's easy to cherry pick your cases. The fact of the matter is, QBs win games.

If you don't think so, you're saying that we could've replaced Cam with Clausen and won the same amount of games last season?

You're also cherry picking your case . We can go and name just as many good Ds that have been the reason for the team winning the Super Bowl. I'm not saying the QB isn't important - he obviously is. I'm just saying you're statement of "it doesn't matter how much you invest in your D line" is way off. Plenty of teams have won with that formula.

[LinvilleGorge]

"seemingly not give a single fug," when in reality we have two people the coaching staff believes are very capable competing for the LT spot in camp. Again, let me repeat.. just b/c we didn't panic draft doesn't mean they "don't give a fug."

There's also free agency. The draft isn't the only place to acquire talent.

Don't be surprised if we pick up a veteran stop gap.

[Ruff]

You're also cherry picking your case . We can go and name just as many good Ds that have been the reason for the team winning the Super Bowl. I'm not saying the QB isn't important - he obviously is. I'm just saying you're statement of "it doesn't matter how much you invest in your D line" is way off. Plenty of teams have won with that formula.

Again, straight question. If Clausen, or Matt Moore, or whoever would step in with our team, would we win the same amount of games? With this DLine. And if not, how many more do you think we'd win/lose?

[Heel]

You would have to be a complete homer not to see the downgrades and unproven players supposedly filling holes.

 

If I had to bet I wouldn't take us winning more than seven games, not in our division.

[RoaringRiot]

Again, straight question. If Clausen, or Matt Moore, or whoever would step in with our team, would we win the same amount of games? With this DLine. And if not, how many more do you think we'd win/lose?

Of course not. You're taking it to the extreme by naming terrible QBs. I said the QB is important. You said the D Line isn't. That's the mistake. Tell that to Johnson, Dilfer, Eli, Wilson, Big Ben, etc.... All their teams were lead by ferocious Ds and won,

[RoaringRiot]

You would have to be a complete homer not to see the downgrades and unproven players supposedly filling holes.

If I had to bet I wouldn't take us winning more than seven games, not in our division.

Care to list the downgrades for all of us homers?

[Ruff]

Of course not. You're taking it to the extreme by naming terrible QBs. I said the QB is important. You said the D Line isn't. That's the mistake. Tell that to Johnson, Dilfer, Eli, Wilson, Big Ben, etc.... All their teams were lead by ferocious Ds and won,

Those are all pro bowl QBs, though... And with the exception of dilfer, all multiple-time pro bowlers.

I agree that it's extremes. The original statement I made was that this team can only go as far as Cam takes us. If Cam gets hurt (god forbid) or has a horrible year, we're not going far. Even with this defense.

[RoaringRiot]

Those are all pro bowl QBs, though... And with the exception of dilfer, all multiple-time pro bowlers.

I agree that it's extremes. The original statement I made was that this team can only go as far as Cam takes us. If Cam gets hurt (god forbid) or has a horrible year, we're not going far. Even with this defense.

This team's identity is their front 7. That's how and why we won a lot of games last year. If you're plan is to be a running team, posses the ball, and control the clock..... Your DLine is just as important as your QB.

Brad Johnson was a Pro Bowler? I don't remember that if so.

And you know the reason why those teams won was because of their Ds. Those QBs weren't Clausen but they were also very far from Brady.

[Ruff]

This team's identity is their front 7. That's how and why we won a lot of games last year. If you're plan is to be a running team, posses the ball, and control the clock..... Your DLine is just as important as your QB.

Brad Johnson was a Pro Bowler? I don't remember that if so.

And you know the reason why those teams won was because of their Ds. Those QBs weren't Clausen but they were also very far from Brady.

Yeah, brad Johnson was a pro bowler. In '99 and in '02.

But, even with us wanting to run the ball, we need a QB. We need Cam. If you think otherwise, then would you trade Cam and get picks and run the ball with DA?

Cam is this team. Simple and plain, as he says. That's why he's about to get paid 110+m.

[Heel]

Care to list the downgrades for all of us homers?

 

Right now our receivers are unproven. As a unit we don't know what we have at all. At best we take Crotchery's outlier year (out of 10) and Avant's best year (out of 8), and then add in an unproven Benjamin to somehow beat the proven receivers we lost. Now I know you guys probably will argue our receivers were bad last year, I disagree. Mike Shula's system was, to say the least, not explosive. Smith went from '11 1300 yards, '12 1100, to Mike Shula 800 (hurt two games though). Okay we went 12-4 yadda, yadda, nothing could have posisbily been wrong with a 12-4 teams coaching. Then take into consideration how fast our receivers we let go were signed (quickly), and by what teams (winners).

 

Our secondary is much worse. We lost our best cornerback, Captain, and yes he was great nickel CB, if you don't believe me look up some of Rivera's comments on Captain. We lost our best safety, Mike Mitchell, who got a very nice contract out of the FA gate. And then we lose Mikell (great tackler, added to our sack total). Just with Captain, Mitchell, and Mikell we lose quite a bit of our turnover and sack potential (look up their totals if you would like).

 

Our offensive line should be unquestionably worse. I know we started the year with a similar line, supposedly, but everyone knew that was our weakness last year. Now we lose our franchise LT, and arguably our best guard, and somehow that's not worse? We have unproven "talent" that will fill in and do great I suppose.

 

Lastly, an easy one, kick and punt return. Before last year we had a bad KR/PR for the last what, four years? Joe Adams fumbling was the most exciting return plays we had in fact. We now have maybe Barner (fumbles version two), or Pilares (back to being crap).

 

Oh and before you jump on the whole Gettleman is god he broke in good guys last year and will do it again. That poo doesn't just happen again, and the guys he brought in were somewhat proven, even Ginn.

[RoaringRiot]

Yeah, brad Johnson was a pro bowler. In '99 and in '02.

But, even with us wanting to run the ball, we need a QB. We need Cam. If you think otherwise, then would you trade Cam and get picks and run the ball with DA?

Cam is this team. Simple and plain, as he says. That's why he's about to get paid 110+m.

He does matter - I've always said he does.

Investing in the DLine matters - you said it doesn't