Stewart healthy & moving well. Rivera's Party Line a Red Herring.

[jayflip]

I'm so guilty of thread-hijacking.

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I saw the discussion about Brussels Sprouts vs other inferior veggies to be quite comparable to the discussion about Cam skewing or not skewing our rushing numbers last year.

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[Peppers90 NC]

from one of the nicer neighborhood spots in Brooklyn, i got this dish from stone park cafe last year and have made it a few time since.  very easy to enjoy

 

[iamhubby1]

17 people with 17 different slants on the same subject. Yet only 1 guy is wrong? Who'd a thunk it.

Of course when you have folks that claim DWill falls down when the wind blows. How do you expect to convince them our running game was half decent.

Or the folks who just aren't going to be happy with half decent. They want top of the heap. And when Cam is considered part of the equation, they don't see the others as top shelf. They think that without Cam our running game is pitiful.

Me? Having Cam is just icing on the cake. We were pretty good as a RB corp., just because Cam helped out in rushing yards, does not mean our other backs sucked.

But then again, I ain't a realist. I am just an optimistic fan who thought we had a damm good year. And who believes this year should be even better.

[jayflip]

17 people with 17 different slants on the same subject. Yet only 1 guy is wrong? Who'd a thunk it.

Of course when you have folks that claim DWill falls down when the wind blows. How do you expect to convince them our running game was half decent.

Or the folks who just aren't going to be happy with half decent. They want top of the heap. And when Cam is considered part of the equation, they don't see the others as top shelf. They think that without Cam our running game is pitiful.

Me? Having Cam is just icing on the cake. We were pretty good as a RB corp., just because Cam helped out in rushing yards, does not mean our other backs sucked.

But then again, I ain't a realist. I am just an optimistic fan who thought we had a damm good year. And who believes this year should be even better.

But what's your take on Okra?

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[iamhubby1]

I was raised on a farm. Greens are a big part of my diet. Though you have to cook them all differently, they are all good.

[Peppers90 NC]

fyi stem of greens such as swiss chard can also be cooked and enjoyed, i made a stir fry not long ago using things i typically discard, watermelon rind and chard stems being a couple of them

[lola]

Does lettuce count as a green vegetable? I like lettuce.

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[Peppers90 NC]

if you count water as a vegetable, maybe.  i do recommend not eating too many raw vegetables, they are harder for your body to break down and process.  not saying dont ever eat salads, just realize that even blanching for a minute or two helps.

[panthers55]

well like I said, our top three backs failed to reach 1,400 while each of their top two had more than 1,500.  Add their third back then the margin widens.  I'm not sure what your point is either and still waiting for you to post the 3rd and 4th down rush stats.  Without even looking, I know who our most efficient rusher was in those downs and I've already used stats on who led our team in 1st downs on the ground.

If you are going to try and use stats lets at least be accurate. If you are not going to say we reached 1400 yards because we only had 1384 yards then don't credit San Francisco's top 2 backs with over 1500 when it was actually 1486.  And try using some stats that are qualitative not quantitative.  Such as we averaged 4.0 yards a carry San Fran at 4.2 which is not a significant difference.  Then note that Stewart wasn't really a factor and hurt our average not helped it just like Hunter helped their average because Gore for example averaged fewer yards per carry than Wiliams.

 

If you would be accurate and keep things in context then you might get some credibility.  The same with your first downs.  I also showed you that Cam had 10 more first downs but had 35 more tries to pick them up on third and less than 4 yards.  Almost all of Williams first downs were from 6 yards out or more and most runs were on first down when the defense was expecting run versus most of Cams were on third down and less than 6 when we could pass or throw.

 

But keep it up. Each time I point out your inaccuracies it points out who is knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.

[panthers55]

That's a relief, not many people would say that 1,400 yards is a good rushing attack.  But because Cam added an additional 585, that actually made the rush game somewhat worthy.  You argued from what a couple of us said at the beginning, only from our observations that the run game struggled.  You said that stats would say otherwise, but I guess we dont agree what is good or what isn't, that is a matter of opinion.  Ultimately, you believe 1,400 yards from the backfield is sufficient, while most of us believe it is not.

Again using quantitative stats without qualifiers are for rank amateurs and folks who are casual fans.  Anyone who knows anything about yardage stats would ask 1400 yards on how many carries versus just looking at total yards.  You can get 2000 yards rushing but if it is on 1000 carries it isn't nearly as good as a team who rushes for 1000 yards on 200 carries.

 

qualitative stats are used to help determine what is efficient by giving everyone a comparison using apples and oranges.  Quantitative stats tell you very little so stop relying on them if you want any credibility.  

[panthers55]

This is where you are very very wrong, although it's a completely different topic.

 

 

The Seahawks got 1,257 yards and 12 TD's for roughly 8.5 million against the cap from Lynch.

 

The Panthers got 1,384 yards and 8 TD's for roughly 12.35 million against the cap from their top 3 RB's.

 

 

Seahawks will have 7 million this year against the cap with Lynch.

 

Panthers will have 13.9 against the cap with their top 3.

 

Let's also don't forget that we are taking up two more roster spots.

Lets be fair here we got the majority of our yards here from Tolbert and Williams who accounted for 1204 yards and had 8 TDs for a cap hit of 7,025,000 which was less than Lynch.

 

 Stewart was injured most of the year and did nothing.  And lets see what happens in 2014 before we say that what was a better deal.  If Stewart returns to form and the three run for 1800 yards then it colors the picture differently.

 

If you are going to use all three of our backs when one was hurt and did nothing, then include their full backfield for a fair comparison. 

 

We spent 12.35 million and they spent 9.6 million on their three backs.  Now that we are talking apples to apples about productivity versus cost, I have no explanation for Hurney.  I got nothing..........

[Peppers90 NC]

only an amateur would think that 1,400 and 1,600 yards arent that different.  an amateur would also say that 585 of 2,026 is 25% when it's actually closer to 29%.  that same amateur may think that small percentage difference is not worth noting or stating correctly, but in a game of inches, they all make a big different.  let's just agree to disagree, most people thought the run was lacking last year, and some others think it was good enough.

[Peppers90 NC]

coach stated he wanted 100 yds/gm from our running backs this year, we were at 87 last year.  with a healthy Stewart hopefully that makes up the difference but with an unproven line, it's hard to say that will happen.

[panthers55]

only an amateur would think that 1,400 and 1,600 yards arent that different.  an amateur would also say that 585 of 2,026 is 25% when it's actually closer to 29%.  that same amateur may think that small percentage difference is not worth noting or stating correctly, but in a game of inches, they all make a big different.  let's just agree to disagree, most people thought the run was lacking last year, and some others think it was good enough.

I  stand corrected.  If you think that 1600 yards and 1486 are the same then you aren't an amateur you have dyscalculia.  Sorry for criticizing your disability.  But you might want to stay away from stats from now on.

 

Most people on here think our run game was lacking but think Seattle and San Francisco had great ones although we had almost identical numbers.  I can't help that perception was not reality.

 

 

For the record I like brussel sprouts most ways but only Okra fried.  Stewed Okra is slimy.....