Graham signs long term deal

[panthers55]

What numbers of mine are too high?

I was going off of a salary cap of 140 million + 4 million in rollover= 144 million.

You are assuming a salary cap of 145 million.

The 152.8 million is their projected salary obligations for 2015 and that includes the cap increase for Brees, Graham, and Byrd. This also includes the increases for this years rookies such as Cooks. If you add in next years rookies they will be around 155 million like I said earlier.

If we take your projected salary cap of 145 million plus 0 in rollover they are only 10 million over. That isn't as bad as some on here think or hope.

I'm not saying they are in perfect shape, but I want to caution people about thinking the saints are going to implode for some financial reason in the near future. Also, I do agree with you in that I like the way we are handling our financial situation.

Again the 152 million is a starting point not an ending point.  Lets say they are at 153 million at the beginning of the season that means they have to shed 9 million before free agency starts.  It means they are not signing any of the guys who are going to be free agents and aren't included in that total including Ingram, Robinson, Butler, McCown, Goodwin, Meachin, Graham etc.  It means they are not signing any free agents to replace these guys or anyone else for that matter.  Bottom line is that it hurts with starters and especially with depth because you are forced to find just guys who are cheap not guys who are needed for your team.

Or you do what Loomis will do which is keep signing guys and restructuring and putting more and more in subsequent years until the weight of the cap smothers you.

 

But you keep thinking that Loomis is smarter than everyone else and can keep pulling rabbits out of his hat with no problem.  Truth is that Panthers know quite a bit about cap hell so maybe some of you should pay more attention instead of trying to convince us it isn't a problem.  We of all people know that isn't true.

[panthers55]

I wonder how long Saints fans are going to keep trying to convince us that they are not in cap hell when we are going to be 20 million under where they are when the 2015 season starts and we consider ourselves in cap hell?????  But then again Gettleman can be honest about our situation since he didn't put us in that place where Loomis has no one to blame but himself.  What is he going to say.. Yeah we are way over the cap and it is my fault. No he is going to do what Hurney did which is keep shucking and jiving and acting like everything is fine.

[B.BERSIN]

Years down the road, while we're inking guys like Lotulelei, Kuechly and Benjamin to long term deals, the Aints might have to let guys like Cam Jordan, Vacarro and Stills walk. I look at this as another step towards those swamp rats becoming the bottom dwellers of the South they once were.

Lets sign Vacarro then.

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[PandaPancake]

Lets sign Vacarro then.

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That ankle breaks too easy

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[B.BERSIN]

That ankle breaks too easy

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Sorry to forget that.

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[saints4life25]

I wonder how long Saints fans are going to keep trying to convince us that they are not in cap hell when we are going to be 20 million under where they are when the 2015 season starts and we consider ourselves in cap hell????? But then again Gettleman can be honest about our situation since he didn't put us in that place where Loomis has no one to blame but himself. What is he going to say.. Yeah we are way over the cap and it is my fault. No he is going to do what Hurney did which is keep shucking and jiving and acting like everything is fine.

And I wonder how long you're going to stay on the Saints are going down freight train you're on when the salary cap jumps to 140-142 and Brees signs a 2-3 year extension and they're under the cap before they even cut anyone? It is so so simple to see what the plan is, if you'd just take off the homer glasses my friend.

The only reason the Panthers are working on their cap situation right now is because they have a bunch of key players playing on rookie deals. Cams gonna get paid. Luke is gonna get paid. Star is gonna get paid. And you know what? The Panthers are going to pay them! You know why? Because the only other option is being the Browns. Having tons of cap space every year and a horrible team.

I realize Loomis keeps banking on the salary cap going up. And so far he's been right. He's gambling, and winning. And I don't care, because we're not the Browns.

[Gallagher]

Lets sign Vacarro then.

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Naw man, the future is Lester and Boston. Book it.

[thefuzz]

Anyone who thinks the Saints won't be in cap hell within 2 years is not looking at this clearly.

 

If the injury bug bites them, look out.  Normally you can keep your top few "superstars" but the middle of the lineup will suffer when you are continually bumping the cap.

[panthers55]

And I wonder how long you're going to stay on the Saints are going down freight train you're on when the salary cap jumps to 140-142 and Brees signs a 2-3 year extension and they're under the cap before they even cut anyone? It is so so simple to see what the plan is, if you'd just take off the homer glasses my friend.

The only reason the Panthers are working on their cap situation right now is because they have a bunch of key players playing on rookie deals. Cams gonna get paid. Luke is gonna get paid. Star is gonna get paid. And you know what? The Panthers are going to pay them! You know why? Because the only other option is being the Browns. Having tons of cap space every year and a horrible team.

I realize Loomis keeps banking on the salary cap going up. And so far he's been right. He's gambling, and winning. And I don't care, because we're not the Browns.

In order to have this discussion tell me how you are going to get him to sign a 2-3 extension which will shave 10 million off his cap hit without putting more on the back end which is what I accused Lomis of doing anyway.  Until then you can make anything up you want but that doesn't mean it is grounded in reality. Give me specifics I can shoot holes into instead of generalizations with no basis in fact.

[saints4life25]

In order to have this discussion tell me how you are going to get him to sign a 2-3 extension which will shave 10 million off his cap hit without putting more on the back end which is what I accused Lomis of doing anyway. Until then you can make anything up you want but that doesn't mean it is grounded in reality. Give me specifics I can shoot holes into instead of generalizations with no basis in fact.

I've already stated that I believe Brees will get an extension much like Brady. Where people will say say wow he really took a paycut on that extension, when in all reality he's just going to extend the years, convert most of his base salary and roster bonus on the final 2 years into signing bonus, and have a much smaller cap hit over the 4-5 year deal than what he has over the next two. It's quite obvious when you look at the salary jumps that Loomis and Brees have already had discussions about when something like this would happen.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/27/crunching-numbers-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady-contract-extension/4LIYld7tYQUB8CNXKmMaPM/story.html

[Bodybag]

Something tells me Loomis has a better grasp of the salary cap than panthers55. Call it a gut feeling.

[panthers55]

I've already stated that I believe Brees will get an extension much like Brady. Where people will say say wow he really took a paycut on that extension, when in all reality he's just going to extend the years, convert most of his base salary and roster bonus on the final 2 years into signing bonus, and have a much smaller cap hit over the 4-5 year deal than what he has over the next two. It's quite obvious when you look at the salary jumps that Loomis and Brees have already had discussions about when something like this would happen.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/27/crunching-numbers-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady-contract-extension/4LIYld7tYQUB8CNXKmMaPM/story.html

Yeah because Brees was so easy to work with he took a paycut when he signed his last contract like Brady did, right???  Wait.... You mean Brees held out and squeezed every penny he could out of the Saints.....  You think he will suddenly take millions less than the amount he is taking now.  You really are in fantasy land.  Brady actually took less money than he could get while Brees has held out for more.  Your article actually supports exactly what I just said.  Brady's cap numbers are way below Brees and always have been no matter what year except the first.  And you call me a homer.  You are so far up Loomis's butt you look at the numbers and can't see that they are nowhere the same at any point.  extension don't change the contract just push it further back.  But that is exactly what I accused Loomis of doing which you vehemently argued with.  Now you are advocating that as the strategy of choice.  Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

Plus your example doesn't add up.  If he signs an extension it will be for the same amount he got each year unless you think he believes he is not as good in  4 years.  Brady actually took less money than he could have gotten on the market...  Brees has shown no desire to take anything less than all he could get.  And his contract was done with the increased cap in mind but there is nothing to suggest he is going t take less money after holding out like he did in the first place.  Something Brady didn't do.  The only way to lower the cap is add voidable years to the end of the contract which cause a huge dead cap hit or to get him to agree to take less money.  Otherwise you are reducing the cap hit for a year or two but increasing it on the back end to where you guarantee he won't be here for the whole contract. 

 

More Saints fantasy island because they can't bear to think that the window is closing since this run has been the only time in their history they were good.

[panthers55]

Something tells me Loomis has a better grasp of the salary cap than panthers55. Call it a gut feeling.

I am sure he does. And I have a better grasp than the Saints fans on here but it doesn't keep you from arguing as if you know better too.

 

Just because Loomis knows the cap doesn't mean he is not mortgaging the long term future  for the Saints for a run right now.  Loomis's contract is up in 2017 which is the same time Bree's and Grahams's contracts are up.    Coincidence??  He is 58 and at the end of the contract will be 62.  He might be setting things up to make this run and retire when his contract is done. That way he can be like Hurney and make contracts that someone else has to clean up.

[saints4life25]

Yeah because Brees was so easy to work with he took a paycut when he signed his last contract like Brady did, right??? Wait.... You mean Brees held out and squeezed every penny he could out of the Saints..... You think he will suddenly take millions less than the amount he is taking now. You really are in fantasy land. Brady actually took less money than he could get while Brees has held out for more. Your article actually supports exactly what I just said. Brady's cap numbers are way below Brees and always have been no matter what year except the first. And you call me a homer. You are so far up Loomis's butt you look at the numbers and can't see that they are nowhere the same at any point. extension don't change the contract just push it further back. But that is exactly what I accused Loomis of doing which you vehemently argued with. Now you are advocating that as the strategy of choice. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Plus your example doesn't add up. If he signs an extension it will be for the same amount he got each year unless you think he believes he is not as good in 4 years. Brady actually took less money than he could have gotten on the market... Brees has shown no desire to take anything less than all he could get. And his contract was done with the increased cap in mind but there is nothing to suggest he is going t take less money after holding out like he did in the first place. Something Brady didn't do. The only way to lower the cap is add voidable years to the end of the contract which cause a huge dead cap hit or to get him to agree to take less money. Otherwise you are reducing the cap hit for a year or two but increasing it on the back end to where you guarantee he won't be here for the whole contract.

More Saints fantasy island because they can't bear to think that the window is closing since this run has been the only time in their history they were good.

I've decided after reading some of your other posts that there's just no way to win with you. You simply have more knowledge than everyone else. As I said, you go ahead and wait for the demise of the Saints (that you clearly don't care about as proved by all the studying you've been doing about their cap and self proclaimed more knowledge about it than their own fans!) and I'll trust Loomis while you compare him to that journalist of a GM that ran the Panthers for a while.

Have a good evening. And great football season!