Rookie Watch 2014 - A Promising Start

[L-TownCat]

Hurney blows.

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PS: what new exciting high profile gig did the talented GM extraordinaire receive after his glorious tenure here?

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[FootballMaestro]

I think gettleman is doing a great job but I don't think he would have drafted Cam which in the end is why this team is on the right track.

 

If you don't think "HE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED CAM, then why did he jettison Steve Smith (along with other veterans), and provide Cam with a stud young receivers and outside veterans receivers that he can direct and grow with?

 

Gettleman has turned this team over to Cam, exactly the same way the NY Giants did with Eli Manning, and he was in a much worse situation (both as a player and his veteran relationships/lack of respect in the locker) than Cam. Where does this type of thinking with Panther fans come from? :startle:

 

SMH

[Jeremy Igo]

Cam was like the 9th rated prospect by a lot of the draft gurus (mayock, Kiper and others). Mostly everyone had Blaine Gabbert as the top QB in the draft and many believed Cam Newton would not make it in the NFL.

Fact is, Hurney deserves a lot of credit for that draft pick. Not many GM's would have taken Cam #1 IMO.

True.

And thank God Hurney is no longer here now that Cam needs a new contract.

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[rmoneyg35]

Cam was like the 9th rated prospect by a lot of the draft gurus (mayock, Kiper and others). Mostly everyone had Blaine Gabbert as the top QB in the draft and many believed Cam Newton would not make it in the NFL.

Fact is, Hurney deserves a lot of credit for that draft pick. Not many GM's would have taken Cam #1 IMO.

Didn't you know that NFL GMs don't care about What Mel Kiper thinks.

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[FootballMaestro]

Cam was like the 9th rated prospect by a lot of the draft gurus (mayock, Kiper and others). Mostly everyone had Blaine Gabbert as the top QB in the draft and many believed Cam Newton would not make it in the NFL.

 

Fact is, Hurney deserves a lot of credit for that draft pick. Not many GM's would have taken Cam #1 IMO. 

 

Not by NFL People.

 

So that's all nonsense. NFL people had Cam as the top pick.

 

Even Kiper had Cam as the top pick a month before the draft. I heard it from his own mouth.

 

So this is all nonsense, revisionist history (and also tells you how many Huddler's felt about Cam, as opposed to NFL people).

 

The media just wanted to to make it seem like there was some type of QB competition. There was none by March, April.

 

Cam was never what the media portrayed him to be, and both the Panthers and NFL scouting services knew that.

 

So Hurney gets very little credit for drafting Cam in my book.

[C47]

Not by NFL People.

 

So that's all nonsense. NFL people had Cam as the top pick.

 

Even Kiper had Cam as the top pick a month before the draft. I heard it from his own mouth.

 

So this is all nonsense, revisionist history (and also tells you how many Huddler's felt about Cam, as opposed to NFL people).

 

The media just wanted to to make it seem like there was some type of QB competition. There was none by March, April.

 

Cam was never what the media portrayed him to be, and both the Panthers and NFL scouting services knew that.

 

So Hurney gets very little credit for drafting Cam in my book.

 

Using Kiper to make your point doesn't actually make your case stronger. Regardless, you're wrong. There were plenty of NFL guys who were leery of Cam....

[BuffaloBills62]

 

I will admit, I dont know what all the GM's thought about Cam Newton but you dont either. 

 

 

 

Mike Mayock article written on April 28th, the day of the draft. Doesnt have rankings but it does say the Best QB in the draft is Blaine Gabbert.

 

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-28/sports/29483202_1_mayock-mark-ingram-spread-offense

 

 

 

 

Mel Kiper article written on March 9th, about two months before the draft. Had Panthers taking Blaine Gabbert #1.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft3.0

 

 

 

 

 

This article was written on April 27th, one day before the draft. At this point it was pretty evident that the Panthers were gonna take Cam Newton. He even ssys in the bolded areas that Cam is not the top player on his big board. 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft5.0

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, Hurney deserves credit for this draft pick. He believed that Cam would change the direction of our franchise for years to come and he was right. 

Im not saying Hurney is perfect, just deserves credit for this pick, Cam is a franchise changer. 

 

 

And for the record, once Andrew Luck said he was staying in college, I wanted Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, Marcel Darius and even Nick Fairly at first. Then the Panthers started showing more interested in Cam. So I watched a youtube clip of all of Cams passes at Auburn and that sold me. That was before the combine. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's Dareus.  Don't worry, you'll soon learn how to spell it when he is considered the best DT in the league.

[FootballMaestro]

Using Kiper to make your point doesn't actually make your case stronger. Regardless, you're wrong. There were plenty of NFL guys who were leery of Cam....

 

You are incorrect.

 

This has been gone over ad nauseum here, so I will not repeat it.

 

I only mentioned Kiper, cause the poster did, and it's true.

 

The point is, what ever people may have thought about early in the process, was thoroughly refuted  when NFL people and scouting services went over film, interviews, background check, etc.. This is well known, documented. Unfortunately, people love to quote media sources, who are not NFL people and have an agenda. Never confuse media people with NFL people.

 

NFL front office, scouts and scouting services did not. 

 

I'll leave it at that.

[FootballMaestro]

 

I will admit, I dont know what all the GM's thought about Cam Newton but you dont either. 

 

 

 

Mike Mayock article written on April 28th, the day of the draft. Doesnt have rankings but it does say the Best QB in the draft is Blaine Gabbert.

 

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-28/sports/29483202_1_mayock-mark-ingram-spread-offense

 

 

 

 

Mel Kiper article written on March 9th, about two months before the draft. Had Panthers taking Blaine Gabbert #1.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft3.0

 

 

 

 

 

This article was written on April 27th, one day before the draft. At this point it was pretty evident that the Panthers were gonna take Cam Newton. He even said in the bolded areas that Cam is not the top player on his big board. 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft5.0

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, Hurney deserves credit for this draft pick. He believed that Cam would change the direction of our franchise for years to come and he was right. 

Im not saying Hurney is perfect, just deserves credit for this pick, Cam is a franchise changer. 

 

 

And for the record, once Andrew Luck said he was staying in college, I wanted Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, Marcel Darius and even Nick Fairly at first. Then the Panthers started showing more interested in Cam. So I watched a youtube clip of all of Cams passes at Auburn and that sold me. That was before the combine. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SMH like a wet dog.

 

What in the world does this have to to with NFL people?

 

I see you don't get it.

 

And Kiper did admit before the draft that the Panthers were gonna draft Cam at #1 (as I'm sure he eventually heard it from them, NFL people). SMH I'm sure you can find that if you wanted.

 

I see you have a fundamental misunderstand about the NFL and media people.

 

No more needs to be said.

 

[TheRumGone]

It's Dareus.  Don't worry, you'll soon learn how to spell it when he is considered the best DT in the league.

 

we already know how to spell it because we see his name constantly in the news for being arrested

[FootballMaestro]

Show you how some of you guys are retarded. Yawn. Note the date.

The article is dated April 10 in USA Today

The momentum for Cam Newton to be the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft is building.

In the latest version of USA TODAY's mock draft, Newton is projected by all six of our analysts as the top overall selection.

In the previous iteration, five of the six analysts projected QB Blaine Gabbert as the first overall pick.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/04/nfl-mock-draft-cam-newton-now-consensus-no-1-pick-1/1#.U97gfaOwWnA

 

 

You have to remember, early in the process, there was a lot of nonsense said about Cam (especially  by media), However, once the NFL and it's investigators conducted interviews, film breakdown, back ground checks, etc., those questions were answered with flying colors. This is why the time the draft rolled around, everyone knew Cam would be selected #1

 

From NBC Sports March 11th

 

Schefter predicts Cam Newton will be No. 1 overall pick

 

“Last week, I sensed Blaine Gabbert,” writes Schefter. “… This week, I’m more on the Cam Newton bandwagon. The more I hear, the more it sounds like Newton is the player to beat for the No. 1 pick.”

In addition to Carolina’s quarterback need, Schefter explains that the Panthers “need to create buzz to sell some tickets.” A controversial prospect but with unquestioned physical tools, Newton gives Jerry Richardson’s organization the best chance to do just that.

The news isn’t shocking. Newton went first in our latest mock draft, and he’ll remain in the top spot when our next one comes out, too.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/25/schefter-predicts-cam-newton-will-be-no-1-overall-pick/

 

 

USA Today Again

 

March 11 2014, USA Today

 

Mock draft 3.0: It's Cam Newton No. 1, but what about the rest?

Updated 4/28/2011 9:25 AM |

Cam Newton is the unanimous projection as the No. 1 overall pick in USA TODAY's latest NFL mock draft.

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-mock-draft.htm

 

 

Once the NFL scouting services stuff Cam in, Cam was clearly #1. Unfortunately, too many Panther fans kept listening to idiot media who had an agenda (or felt that way about Cam themselves and couldn't get it out of their systems).

 

Note, I don't source Bleacher Report itself. But the fact the writer stated Newton was the "consensus #1 pick".

 

The 2011 NFL Draft is quickly approaching and theories are aplenty as to who will go where. I am thinking that this could be an exciting draft with unexpected picks. Cam Newton seems to be the consensus #1 overall pick, but will he be? Let's take a gander at how the draft very well could go in the first half of the first round.....

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/658299-round-1-of-2011-nfl-mock-draft-with-surprise-1-pick-part-1

 

Here's a Fantasy guy, that didn't even like Cam, but acknowledged he's easily the top pick to his chagrin.

 

What is it about Cam Newton that makes everyone so sure he is the consensus number one first pick of the 2011 NFL draft?

 

 

http://thefantasyfootballinformer.tumblr.com/post/4682963902/why-the-best-qb-in-the-draft-is-not-ready-for-the-nfl

 

I really shouldn't even be doing this. Smart Panther fans should already know this stuff (and the difference between a media wag, and an actual NFL scout or exec).  But I digress. SMH. End of story.

[C47]

You are incorrect.

 

This has been gone over ad nauseum here, so I will not repeat it.

 

I only mentioned Kiper, cause the poster did, and it's true.

 

The point is, what ever people may have thought about early in the process, was thoroughly refuted  when NFL people and scouting services went over film, interviews, background check, etc.. This is well known, documented. Unfortunately, people love to quote media sources, who are not NFL people and have an agenda. Never confuse media people with NFL people.

 

NFL front office, scouts and scouting services did not. 

 

I'll leave it at that.

 

Go look up fuging scout quotes then dude. I'm not doing the research for you. More then a couple said Cam should be drafted mid-late first round. 

[ed bell]

I heard Rivera wanted him.... Why the hell did this thread turn into Necromancing the Hurn-Dog?

[CPF4LIFE]

If you don't think "HE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED CAM, then why did he jettison Steve Smith (along with other veterans), and provide Cam with a stud young receivers and outside veterans receivers that he can direct and grow with?

 

Gettleman has turned this team over to Cam, exactly the same way the NY Giants did with Eli Manning, and he was in a much worse situation (both as a player and his veteran relationships/lack of respect in the locker) than Cam. Where does this type of thinking with Panther fans come from? :startle:

 

SMH

 

First of all, you are OFF. You are speaking from future activities that has happened since last season. I am speaking from that POINT IN TIME when we were sitting there with the no.1 pick and no clear cut top overall prospect. Its easier to say G Man would have taken Cam after having a whole NFL season to evaluate him and make his conclusions but that is not the scenario i am making an opinion on. Funny how you dont mention the whole "pause" and "its time for Cam to win" statement he made before last season started because if we were going by your thinking then that doesnt help your case. Lastly, a lot of execs/analysts had Cam being the number 1 pick CLOSE to the draft because the rumors were that we liked him and were going to take him, so yes they change their minds a lot. We heard them constantly leading up to the draft too.