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There's no sense in worrying about anything else until the OL is fixed.


CatMan72

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This has mostly been the same oline in the first three games he played well. What changed. I'm not bashing Cam. We need to find what is the actual problem so we fix the right thing.

 

You mean besides the two UDFA rookies protecting his blind side?

 

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I agree with you in general, but I do think that we can definitively say that we need to upgrade the receiving corps.  The one---absolutely one---advantage that we thought we had coming into the season in regards to the receiving corps was hands, and even the hands have failed us.  That's honest.

 

Yeah, that's pretty obvious - I've sat here all season watching the all 22 on game rewind and we don't have anyone capable of creating separation in their routes on a consistent basis.

 

Another casualty of the OL play is having to keep Olsen in on protection... he was literally babysitting Foucault last night.

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I have no faith in a front office that decided Byron Bell should be our starting LT because he's left handed.

It hurts my head reading this again. I mean, what person would seriously think a player could be a good LT because they're left handed? I mean, my brain hurts to even think about that.

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quarterbacks deal with pressure all the time. some see it and get rid of the ball quickly. others move around in the pocket well. the oline pass protected more that sufficient last night until the game was over in the 4th quarter.

some fans make up excuses for their favorite players.

 

Sufficient... were we watching the same game? 

 

The first 7 points came after a turnover near the goal line when Foucault let Galette run right by him because he didn't realize it was a quick set and there were many more examples of complete failure by the OL. 

 

I'll give you another one, on the QB draw Velasco got his lunch money stolen by the d-lineman he was assigned to block, he should have been credited with the tackle on that play. Kalil was assigned to help, but when the primary blocker gets beaten that badly and driven backwards there's nothing you can do. 

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Would Derek Anderson make faster decisions than Cam?

 

He would probably make a faster decision to throw the ball away or just fall on it when the play breaks down because he knows he doesn't have Cam's playmaking ability and that might sound good until you consider how many of our plays break down the moment the ball is snapped because of our poor OL play. 

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First play of the game, oline held, what happened? Cam overthrew KB. That set the tone for the night. There is no perfect oline in NFL that can make up for that.

 

No, I'll tell you what set the tone... when Cam was drilled in the back and fumbled the ball because Foucault admittedly didn't realize it was a quick set and wasn't even in his stance when the ball was snapped allowing Galette to run right by him. 

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No, I'll tell you what set the tone... when Cam was drilled in the back and fumbled the ball because Foucault admittedly didn't realize it was a quick set and wasn't even in his stance when the ball was snapped and Galette ran right by him.

This was after our defense had stopped NO several times and given the offense the ball. What did the offense do on all those drives prior to that fumble?

Brees also lost the ball and was under a lot of pressure. He had better than a 35.7% completion.

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This was after our defense had stopped NO several times and given the offense the ball. What did the offense do on all those drives prior to that fumble?

Brees also lost the ball and was under a lot of pressure. He had better than a 35.7% completion.

 

Struggled to score like we did for most of the game based in large part on the poor OL play. 

 

We got to Brees a few times, but overall he had MUCH better protection and blocking that allowed them to establish a running game. 

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