Understanding Cam's situation

[philp]

But just a few weeks ago I thought he may have had the best game of his career vs cinci. Needs to be more consistent.

[TheRumGone]

He's had quite a few bad games. They are starting to add up.

 

2 bad games. even the seahawks game he made poo happen. 1 game in GB that was just retarded down 21 points in 1 quarter.

 

5 great games

[TheRumGone]

the problem lies in the fact that if Cam is off, which happens to most qbs, we have nothing else to rely on so Cam presses.

 

our o-line doesn't allow us to dictate anything.

[TheMaulClaw]

how many times. i saw twice.

 

no doubt AT ALL cam had an awful game. but people are acting like this is the norm. it's not.

 

In the great words used by TRG...."rhetorical question."

 

 

I'm not denying Cam's physical ability or potential.  I'm arguing his consistency and his contract numbers based on the fact that he's been very enigmatic.

[Brooklyn Bully]

It's a good thing Cam isn't a pocket passer, lol. He has no pocket.

[TheMaulClaw]

What check down???

 

A check down pass.  Not forcing the ball 20 yards down field every time.  If you expect me to go purchase NFL replay and provide graphics from the coaches view I'm not willing to do it.

[TheRumGone]

In the great words used by TRG...."rhetorical question."

 

 

I'm not denying Cam's physical ability or potential.  I'm arguing his consistency and his contract numbers based on the fact that he's been very enigmatic.

 

and i'm arguing that he isn't getting a fair representation because of the following.

 

-o-line struggles that need to be compensated taking out most of his checkdowns and #1 reciever (greg olsen, shula mistake)

 

-shouldering the entire load of the offense, can't lean on a run game on off days. hes expected to be the rushing and passing star

 

Cam had an absolutely dreadful game thursday. He was off. and badly. but when you have nothing else to lean on and no options in the passing game to get him in a groove. this is what happens.

 

 

Now people are coming out of the woodwork to say he has zero awareness and zero anticipation. He's hot and cold (he is but not to the extreme people are representing).

 

 

two fuging check downs the entire game with a qb without a doubt off his game. Check downs build momentum, check downs build rhythm and confidence.

 

there is so much more going on here, than once again people putting it squarely on Cam's shoulders. Which is ironic.

 

drew brees and aaron rodgers don't grow on trees.

 

just like cam newton skill set doesn't grow on trees. we just don't know how to utilize it properly and lack the talent around him to do so.

 

 

[TheMaulClaw]

and i'm arguing that he isn't getting a fair representation because of the following.

 

-o-line struggles that need to be compensated taking out most of his checkdowns and #1 reciever (greg olsen, shula mistake)

 

-shouldering the entire load of the offense, can't lean on a run game on off days. hes expected to be the rushing and passing star

 

Cam had an absolutely dreadful game thursday. He was off. and badly. but when you have nothing else to lean on and no options in the passing game to get him in a groove. this is what happens.

 

 

Now people are coming out of the woodwork to say he has zero awareness and zero anticipation. He's hot and cold (he is but not to the extreme people are representing).

 

 

two fuging check downs the entire game with a qb without a doubt off his game. Check downs build momentum, check downs build rhythm and confidence.

 

there is so much more going on here, than once again people putting it squarely on Cam's shoulders. Which is ironic.

 

drew brees and aaron rodgers don't grow on trees.

 

just like cam newton skill set doesn't grow on trees. we just don't know how to utilize it properly and lack the talent around him to do so.

 

Everything that you say is valid TRG.  Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers don't grow on trees so unless your Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers QB's don't deserve their same money. 

 

I don't dispute OL problems.

I don't dispute Shula's an asshat.  

 

I don't hate Cam.  I want him to make me eat a fugload of crow is what I want. 

 

By your own admittance of him under performing this season....how can we justify handing him the largest contract in NFL history?....That's my beef.  

 

If it's 15-17 mill a year fine.  At what point do we draw the line?

 

At what point do you say that's just simply to much for the results that we've gotten?

 

I know if I'm at a job and I'm hired to provide results and I don't....I'm not getting what I want.  Is that different here?

 

[TheRumGone]

Everything that you say is valid TRG.  Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers don't grow on trees so unless your Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers QB's don't deserve their same money. 

 

I don't dispute OL problems.

I don't dispute Shula's an asshat.  

 

I don't hate Cam.  I want him to make me eat a fugload of crow is what I want. 

 

By your own admittance of him under performing this season....how can we justify handing him the largest contract in NFL history?....That's my beef.  

 

If it's 15-17 mill a year fine.  At what point do we draw the line?

 

At what point do you say that's just simply to much for the results that we've gotten?

 

I know if I'm at a job and I'm hired to provide results and I don't....I'm not getting what I want.  Is that different here?

 

 

two schools of thought here

 

he should do a kaepernick type contract.

 

lol. no he's proved it already with lack of true building around him.

 

matt ryan type contract. thats what the report is.

 

thats 100 million and 60 guaranteed. I have no issues with that.

 

the only problem is. he is our rushing attack and our passing attack. that's where it will get tricky with negotiations.

[TheRumGone]

and no i don't think he is "underperforming" this season. I think he's had one truly awful game.

[CRA]

Our defense was awful his rookie year. We had to rebuild the defense first.

Otherwise we would be still giving up 30 points a game

We are currently allowing 26.2

His rookie year we allowed 26.8

[TheRumGone]

We are currently allowing 26.2

His rookie year we allowed 26.8

 

you damn well know this 2014 defense is vastly better than 2011. We've had weird games of absurdness and games of dominance.

 

the mean remains the same. we are much better defensively with our pieces.

 

like we both agreed the offense helps the defense and the defense the offense. We haven't been a complete team in games many times this year. one has always hurt the other. and put one or the other in awful situations.

 

[TheMaulClaw]

two schools of thought here

 

he should do a kaepernick type contract.

 

lol. no he's proved it already with lack of true building around him.

 

matt ryan type contract. thats what the report is.

 

thats 100 million and 60 guaranteed. I have no issues with that.

 

the only problem is. he is our rushing attack and our passing attack. that's where it will get tricky with negotiations.

 

Do you think if Atlanta had to do it over again....would they give Matt Ryan the same deal?

 

[TheRumGone]

Do you think if Atlanta had to do it over again....would they give Matt Ryan the same deal?

 

 

we're not talking about matt ryan.

 

and yes i think they would.

 

you start from scratch and these types of qbs (ryan included) do not grow on trees.

 

the human population is so vast yet you only have a handful of humans that can do the things that these guys can do. And that is why you give them the big bucks. they can win you superbowls with proper drafting around them. And i don't just mean skill positions on O. I mean great drafting for the entire team.