SuperCam Detractors... answers needed...

[WOW!!]

Before the 4th quarter of yesterday's game Cam was on pace to have his worst QBR of the season.

Stupid racist facts.

But the 4th quarter did happen right or did I just imagine that??

Are the haters really going to Jedi mind trick the 4th quarter out of peoples minds??

[rmoneyg35]

With the age difference and the number of hits (Cam has way more, even said it during the broadcast) Manning would be in a body cast. During the Thursday night game, they said Cam is the most hit QB in the NFL.

He's the most hit QB for many reasons. Sure you could say bad offensive line but also he holds the ball to long and rushes the ball probably the most of any QB in the NFL.

[Marc Anthony]

He's the most hit QB for many reasons. Sure you could say bad offensive line but also he holds the ball to long and rushes the ball probably the most of any QB in the NFL.

Bad OL line is an understatement. By watching other games, the QB has little more time than Cam does. One word, Bell, need I say more?

[rmoneyg35]

Bad OL line is an understatement. By watching other games, the QB has little more time than Cam does. One word, Bell, need I say more?

Yes but as bad as our offensive line has been it isn't the only problem we have Cam has made some bad decisions as a passer.

[WOW!!]

Yes but as bad as our offensive line has been it isn't the only problem we have Cam has made some bad decisions as a passer.

He has...

So have other QB's.

The major problem is Cam unlike other QB's (specially other young QB'S) doesn't have the supporting cast or the coaching to cover for his mistakes or to widen the margin of error. That Cam has to play under.

[WOW!!]

Just a question what does Cam get to lean on??

A running game. .........NO

A bevy of weapons with speed giving him mismatch option to pass to...........NO

Innovated OC making good play calls and game plans......NO

A dominant or at least solid Oline play.......Hell No

A dominant defense. .......NO

So at what point is a 4th year QB suppose to be consistent when he can't depend on or get consistent play around him..

[WOW!!]

Bump

[CPcavedweller]

How admirable of you to leave out Peyton's horrible 3 win, 28 Int season. Or that he led the NFL in turnovers his first 4 seasons. That's cherry picking at it's finest. Don't even try to act like Peyton showed improvement and continued to develop each season. He didn't. He regressed.

He was beyond terrible...

Yr 1- 26 TD, 28 Int, 71.2 Rtg

Then he improved...

Yr 2- 26 TD, 15 Int, 90.7 Rtg

Yr 3- 33 TD, 15 Int, 94.7 Rtg

Then he regressed back to sucking...

Yr 4- 26 TD, 23 Int, 84.1 Rtg

Yr 5- 27 TD, 19 Int, 88.1 Rtg

Peyton Manning did not become an elite or even consistent QB until his 6th season in the NFL. He didn't even win a playoff game until his 6th season. At that point he had 10 years of experience between the SEC & NFL. Cam doesn't even have half that experience and people are crying bloody murder about how terrible he is.

After seeing these stats, I'm convinced he sold his soul.

[Swan]

4th year

6-10 W/L, 62% Cmp, 26 TD, 23 Int, 84.1 Rtg

2-7-1 W/L, 59% Cmp, 12 TD, 10 Int, 80.3 Rtg

4-year totals

32-32 W/L, 0-2 playoffs, 2x Pro Bowler

27-30-1 W/L, 0-1 playoffs, 2x Pro Bowler

60% Cmp, 82.6 Rtg

60% Cmp, 85.3 Rtg

16,526 Yd, 118 TD, 90 turnovers

16,049 Yd, 106 TD, 63 turnovers

Peyton Manning was trash after 4 years. I mean, even Cam Newton has outplayed him through 4 seasons. Not to mention Peyton was considered a polished player having played 4 years at TN. Cam, meanwhile, entered the league an inexperienced, raw player. I wonder if Indy fans were calling for Peyton to be replaced and trashing him constantly.

Peyton's HC was shít canned after his 4th season and replaced by Tony Dungy. It didn't help though, Peyton sucked again in his 5th season. 26 years old with 9 years of SEC/NFL experience and he was still a mediocre QB.

5th year

Regular Season (10-6 W/L)

29 TD, 20 turnovers, 88.6 Rtg

Playoffs (lost 41-0 @ NYJ)

13-31, 137 Yd, 0 TD, 2 Int

Could you guys please explain what salvaged Peyton Manning's terrible, floundering career? I mean, he was hot garbage through 5 seasons. He'd already gotten one HC fired, had nearly as many turnovers as touchdowns, and was coming off one of the worst playoff performances in NFL history.

What convinced Indy to stick with their struggling, mediocre QB? I mean, I'm sure Indy fans were damn near ready to charge the stadium with pitchforks and demand a change.

Biased reporting at its finest. 

 

You have to compare stats relative to others in the same era, otherwise those "stats" are meaningless.

 

 

[Swan]

???

over the span of Manning's first 5 seasons (1998-2002), Manning was:

#1 in passing yds (Favre #2)

#1 in passing TDs (Favre #2)

#4 in most wins (Favre #1)

#5 in passer rating (Favre was #13)

Manning:

Year 1 - #3 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #23 QB rating

Year 2 - #3 in passing yds, #3 in pass TDs, #4 QB rating

Year 3 - #1 in passing yds, #1 in pass TDs, #6 QB rating

Year 4 - #2 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #8 QB rating

Year 5 - #3 in passing yds, #2 in pass TDs, #5 QB rating

compare to Cam:

Year 1 - #10 in passing yds, #11 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 2 - #13 in passing yds, #21 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 3 - #15 in passing yds, #12 in pass TDs, #16 QB rating

Year 4 - #14 in passing yds, #19 in pass TDs, #27 QB rating

The only numbers that matter^

[Dexterity]

???

over the span of Manning's first 5 seasons (1998-2002), Manning was:

#1 in passing yds (Favre #2)

#1 in passing TDs (Favre #2)

#4 in most wins (Favre #1)

#5 in passer rating (Favre was #13)

Manning:

Year 1 - #3 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #23 QB rating

Year 2 - #3 in passing yds, #3 in pass TDs, #4 QB rating

Year 3 - #1 in passing yds, #1 in pass TDs, #6 QB rating

Year 4 - #2 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #8 QB rating

Year 5 - #3 in passing yds, #2 in pass TDs, #5 QB rating

compare to Cam:

Year 1 - #10 in passing yds, #11 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 2 - #13 in passing yds, #21 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 3 - #15 in passing yds, #12 in pass TDs, #16 QB rating

Year 4 - #14 in passing yds, #19 in pass TDs, #27 QB rating

The only numbers that matter^

Peyton threw almost 400 more passes than any other QB from 98-01. A paralyzed monkey could match his rankings with that much of an advantage over all the other QBs.

Averaging 300 Yd & 2 TD a game isn't impressive when you're throwing the ball 60+ times a game.

[jarhead]

Being white does have something to do with it, I mean, the Panthers are in the thick of Nascar country. I've seen Panthers fans question Cam's intelligence over and over again. They want Derek Anderson to START for Christ's sake.

Why do people like you have to play the race card on any debate regarding Cam?

[jtnc]

Why do people like you have to play the race card on any debate regarding Cam?

Yeah, name another I'm instance where I used race to debate Cam. I'm tired of him having to prove himself over and over again to this fanbase. This fan base had no problem accepting MATT MOORE as their QB, but somehow continues to doubt Cam. Something isn't right here...