Hey Dave even Zack Mettenburger has better weapons then Cam. .

[Mr. Scot]

The QB doesn't dictate how well a WR runs his routes. A QB doesn't control whether or not the WR gets any separation on his route. The QB can get the ball there but it's up to the WR to catch it.

Statistics wise yes the QB plays a role but that's it. It's not Cam's fault Cotchery literally takes 9 seconds to get out of his breaks. Or that Cam can hit Cotch in the hands and have him drop it.

Edit: I see thomas96 basically just said the same thing. Not sure how I feel about that...

 

Roddy White begs to differ.

 

Quarterback / wide receiver connection and chemistry is actually a very big deal.  Both affect each other's stats in a way that's not really fair. 

 

No one takes note of whether a pass was bad when they mark down that the receiver didn't make a catch.  There's no category in the stat sheet for "would have caught it".  Nor do they take drops out of QB incompletion stats or keep a record of how many interceptions were tipped by the receiver that was supposed to catch them.  Ditto cases of bad routes, etc,

 

That's just how it works.

 

Chemistry applies in pretty much all units of the team and all aspects of the game, but especially to things like passing.

[CelibatePimp]

The QB doesn't dictate how well a WR runs his routes. A QB doesn't control whether or not the WR gets any separation on his route. The QB can get the ball there but it's up to the WR to catch it.

Statistics wise yes the QB plays a role but that's it. It's not Cam's fault Cotchery literally takes 9 seconds to get out of his breaks. Or that Cam can hit Cotch in the hands and have him drop it.

Edit: I see thomas96 basically just said the same thing. Not sure how I feel about that...

 

The NFL is littered with examples to counter what you have posted. Often, where there is bad QB play people assume the WR are not getting open, are running bad routes etc.

 

LaFell 10 games in has tied his career total TDs and is on pace for career high yds/gm. This was the same LaFell running routes, getting "separation" etc in CAR but how did we judge him? Look at Smith in BAL. Look at Ginn with us last year and the way we like to boast that Cam got him paid. If he was that good why was no one willing to pay him?

 

A good QB does more for a WR than a WR can do for himself.

[WOW!!]

Roddy White begs to differ.

Quarterback / wide receiver connection and chemistry is actually a very big deal. Both affect each other's stats in a way that's not really fair.

No one takes note of whether a pass was bad when they mark down that the receiver didn't make a catch. There's no category in the stat sheet for "would have caught it". Nor do they take drops out of QB incompletion stats or keep a record of how many interceptions were tipped by the receiver that was supposed to catch them. Ditto cases of bad routes, etc,

That's just how it works.

Chemistry applies in pretty much all units of the team and all aspects of the game, but especially to things like passing.

No amount of Chemistry makes Crotchety or Avant as talented as Hunter and Wright.n

[CelibatePimp]

No bro Cam should elevate crotchety and Avant to Julio and Roddy level.

 

So if that was the case, and you made this thread, why were those "weapons" you were lusting after to come and play with Cam not performing with Locker?

[*FreeFua*]

Roddy White begs to differ.

Quarterback / wide receiver connection and chemistry is actually a very big deal. Both affect each other's stats in a way that's not really fair.

No one takes note of whether a pass was bad when they mark down that the receiver didn't make a catch. There's no category in the stat sheet for "would have caught it". Nor do they take drops out of QB incompletion stats or keep a record of how many interceptions were tipped by the receiver that was supposed to catch them. Ditto cases of bad routes, etc,

That's just how it works.

Chemistry applies in pretty much all units of the team and all aspects of the game, but especially to things like passing.

Totally, I said it's a two way street earlier in this thread to a response saying it was on the QB... On phone so difficult to multi quote but just go back a couple pages.

It's a two way street

[Mr. Scot]

Totally, I said it's a two way street earlier in this thread to a response saying it was on the QB... On phone so difficult to multi quote but just go back a couple pages.

 

Gotcha.

 

 

No amount of Chemistry makes Crotchety or Avant as talented as Hunter and Wright.n

 

Boy, sure wish Kelvin Benjamin and Greg Olsen were as good as those guys, huh?

 

[WOW!!]

The NFL is littered with examples to counter what you have posted. Often, where there is bad QB play people assume the WR are not getting open, are running bad routes etc.

LaFell 10 games in has tied his career total TDs and is on pace for career high yds/gm. This was the same LaFell running routes, getting "separation" etc in CAR but how did we judge him? Look at Smith in BAL. Look at Ginn with us last year and the way we like to boast that Cam got him paid. If he was that good why was no one willing to pay him?

A good QB does more for a WR than a WR can do for himself.

There is also a question of system (Belicheck over Shula)

And the fact that he's the 3rd or 4th option up there and was the 2nd down here. Being surrounded by Gronk, Eldelmen and Amendola helps Lafell.

[CelibatePimp]

No amount of Chemistry makes Crotchety or Avant as talented as Hunter and Wright.n

 

Cotchery had a career high 10TDs last season. What has Hunter done in the NFL? He has not even had a 500yd season yet let alone a 1000yd.

 

But you are certain he is more talented than Cotchery.

[CelibatePimp]

There is also a question of system (Belicheck over Shula)

And the fact that he's the 3rd or 4th option up there and was the 2nd down here. Being surrounded by Gronk, Eldelmen and Amendola helps Lafell.

 

System? The weapons you listed are playing in the same system but currently with different QBs, ie, Jake vs Zack. Do you see a difference?

[WOW!!]

Gotcha.

Boy, sure wish Kelvin Benjamin and Greg Olsen were as good as those guys, huh?

They are but a TE who has to help Block a lot and a rookie WR can be taking out of a games eaiser then having 3 solid Wr and a TE that can't be covered by a LB/DE. Add in a oline with more drafted talented then un drafted ones and you got something. .

[WOW!!]

Cotchery had a career high 10TDs last season. What has Hunter done in the NFL? He has not even had a 500yd season yet let alone a 1000yd.

But you are certain he is more talented than Cotchery.

Yea whole playing with Heath Miller, Antonio Brown, and Sanders. Did you forget these guys??

[WOW!!]

System? The weapons you listed are playing in the same system but currently with different QBs, ie, Jake vs Zack. Do you see a difference?

So are you claiming Shula is on Wisnhunt level as a play callers? ??

[WOW!!]

Cotchery had a career high 10TDs last season. What has Hunter done in the NFL? He has not even had a 500yd season yet let alone a 1000yd.

But you are certain he is more talented than Cotchery.

So you would take Cotchery over Justin Hunter really???

[CelibatePimp]

Yea whole playing with Heath Miller, Antonio Brown, and Sanders. Did you forget these guys??

 

But he is not on pace for a 10TD season. It's the same WR per your argument. Actually he has 0Tds on the season.