How bad is Ron Rivera?

[GRWatcher]

How can you be negative with a coach that won all his challenges today???? Huh????

 

If he is a Panther and he's the head coach, he's my head coach. I personally like the guy. There's room for improvement (as with everyone) but I'm not dismissing him.

 

C'mon! Cam said Rivera told them to concentrate on their inner A.P.E. (Attitude, Preparation, Effort). That's genius!!

[332nd]

So..... we'd be smart not to can him and let another team sign him and get Super Bowl wins out of him?

No. We'd be smart to somehow bitch slap reality into him. See, that's what upped the game of Bill & Pete. (... I wish his name was Ted now...) They got the HC job, were wildly mediocre, got bitch slapped, & then worked to get better at their craft.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if in their memoirs they credited learning how to build, maintain, & replace staff as the key to their later success.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Stats in a vacuum are best stats.

Stats are also what get you elected into the HOF, so there has to be a common medium somewhere.

[rayzor]

rivera should be forced to do the same thing that fox is doing....take care of the defense and let your QB do his thing while the OC gets credit for being along for the ride.

of course he's got the whole choke in big games thing down pat like fox already.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I also think it's hilarious how people think that hiring a new head coach will just change things.

There's a reason that teams that are always on the coaching carousel suck, no continuity.

Continuity is just as important as coaching. For example, look at the poo storm that San Fran has become. Good coach, bad continuity, bad result.

In my honest opinion, I think jumping on the Fishin' Boat would be a bad idea.

I do however think that Shula and Rodgers need to be upgraded.

[pantherfan49]

Ron probably isn't a bad coach as far as getting his guys to play. He is just turrible at in game decisions.

[Ruff]

Stats are also what get you elected into the HOF, so there has to be a common medium somewhere.

Those stats aren't necessarily in a vacuum. That's an entire body of work from a player's career. That's the difference between being like, "Bill Belichick's record on Sundays, in outdoor games, when the temperature is less than balmy, there's a breeze between 4-8 mph to the northwest, and Tom Brady throws 55 times".

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Ron probably isn't a bad coach as far as getting his guys to play. He is just turrible at in game decisions.

This is something he needs to work on, I fear that him getting fired is the only thing that we'll change that.

But if he ever does chance that stubbornness.

Look out.

[Ruff]

This is something he needs to work on, I fear that him getting fired is the only thing that we'll change that.

But if he ever does chance that stubbornness.

Look out.

Will that help him have his team prepared after bye weeks? Will that help him start out quickly in a season? Will that help bring up the intensity in practice during training camp?

Ron Rivera isn't a good head coach. I'd say he's probably in the bottom half in the league. He has more than just one fault that will make him a good coach. In fact, he has a laundry list full of them.

Winning three games in a row has someone blinded people to the brutal blow outs we suffered seemingly every week, while Rivera called out random players like KB, and said that Cam and Luke have to be perfect.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Those stats aren't necessarily in a vacuum. That's an entire body of work from a player's career. That's the difference between being like, "Bill Belichick's record on Sundays, in outdoor games, when the temperature is less than balmy, there's a breeze between 4-8 mph to the northwest, and Tom Brady throws 55 times".

Oh I see.

I misunderstood you, my bad.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Will that help him have his team prepared after bye weeks? Will that help him start out quickly in a season? Will that help bring up the intensity in practice during training camp?

Ron Rivera isn't a good head coach. I'd say he's probably in the bottom half in the league. He has more than just one fault that will make him a good coach. In fact, he has a laundry list full of them.

Winning three games in a row has someone blinded people to the brutal blow outs we suffered seemingly every week, while Rivera called out random players like KB, and said that Cam and Luke have to be perfect.

Some of those things are on players.

Preparation is just as much on the players as it is on the coaches. Bill Belichek can have the best game plan drawn up but if the Patriots half-ass it, they're gonna lose.

Intensity is another thing that's on the players, Ron can try and pump up his players til he's blue in the face but if CJ would rather lolly gag the first half of the season, then that's what he's going to do.

Also those players are called out because they are held to a higher standard, they're leaders. When I was a semi-assistant (assistant to an assistant) for a year at a small program, we had a QB (that's now a WR in the NFL) that was constantly called out. Why? Because the staff knew he could be better. Sometimes there is no point in calling players out like Bell and Chandler because they truly are doing the best they can and that's not on Rivera, that's on G-Man for giving Rivera poo to work with.

Maybe, just maybe we have a team that doesn't take their poo seriously until their backs are against the wall. Notice how last year guys like Smitty and Hardy were fed up after week 5. This year, we didn't have a team show life until three weeks ago.

That's personnel, not coaching. These players need to be just as accountable as the coaches and it's time the fans understand that.

Does Ron have some things that he struggles with, sure. He's stubborn, his in-game decisions aren't exactly great, and he seems to struggle evaluating talent. However, those are things that can be fixed and to an extent are being fixed.

Just speaking from experience, getting on this revolving coaching carousel is not something you want to do when you have a coach that is loved by his players and has shown the ability to be a solid head coach.

Shula and Rodgers need to go, but that's where the buck stops with me.

[Ruff]

Some of those things are on players.

Preparation is just as much on the players as it is on the coaches. Bill Belichek can have the best game plan drawn up but if the Patriots half-ass it, they're gonna lose.

Intensity is another thing that's on the players, Ron can try and pump up his players til he's blue in the face but if CJ would rather lolly gag the first half of the season, then that's what he's going to do.

Also those players are called out because they are held to a higher standard, they're leaders. When I was an assistant for a year at a small program, we had a QB (that's now a WR in the NFL) that was constantly called out.

Why? Because we knew he could be better. Sometimes there is no point in calling players out like Bell because they truly are doing the best they can and that's not on Rivera, that's on G-Man for giving Rivera poo to work with.

Maybe, just maybe we have a team that doesn't take their poo seriously until their backs are against the wall.

That's personnel, not coaching.

Does Ron have some things that he struggles with, sure. He's stubborn, his in-game decisions aren't exactly great, and he seems to struggle evaluating talent. However, those are things that can be fixed.

Just speaking from experience, getting on this revolving coaching carousel is not something you want to do when you have a coach that is loved by his players and has shown the ability to be a solid head coach.

Shula and Rodgers need to go, but that's where the buck stops with me.

Maybe the players loving the coach is part of the problem. I understand morale. And I understand wanting to go to war for a guy, but maybe what our team needs is a guy to walk into the locker room and tell guys like Josh Norman to shut the fug up and sit down.

The problem for me is this, maybe it partially is on the players. But I've been to many training camps since Rivera has stepped through to be the head coach. Every year, no matter what players are out there, the practices all feel like this Sunday stroll where we laugh and giggle and bro out.

I could see saying, yeah,at be that is on the players... If this is Rivera's first or second year. But, after the third and fourth? It begins to fall to him.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Maybe the players loving the coach is part of the problem. I understand morale. And I understand wanting to go to war for a guy, but maybe what our team needs is a guy to walk into the locker room and tell guys like Josh Norman to shut the fug up and sit down.

The problem for me is this, maybe it partially is on the players. But I've been to many training camps since Rivera has stepped through to be the head coach. Every year, no matter what players are out there, the practices all feel like this Sunday stroll where we laugh and giggle and bro out.

I could see saying, yeah,at be that is on the players... If this is Rivera's first or second year. But, after the third and fourth? It begins to fall to him.

That's actually a valid point. Rivera and the team might be getting too "comfortable" with each other. I know that sounds weird but Tony Dungy actually talks about something similar to that in one of his books. You want to have an open relationship with your players but there needs to be a line between friend and coach.

I also agree that he needs to be a lot more vocal. If we had a veteran laden team I'd say it doesn't matter but with all these young guys; the law needs to be set.

I have no inside info, but it seems like Smith might have been the law last year and we lost that "locker room enforcement" with his departure this year.

As for training camp, I can't speak on that subject because I've yet to go to a Rivera TC, but I'll take your word for it based on LaFell's comments.

[KendrickPanther]

My favorite Ron Rivera 2014 moment is when they barely beat the lowly Tampa Bay Bucs and Ron encouraged his team to learn how to never give up from them.