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What does Gettleman do about Cam

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teeray Rookie

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The number for Cam, if you compare, will be around or just over $20m per season, one would guess. The guaranteed money will be less than half (or right at it), in my opinion. That is probably where the $10m is coming from.

That is my guess as well, but most QBS guaranteed salaries are less than half of overall salary I think.

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This season is one that Bus would probably just as soon forget.  If he were negotiationg a contract based on the first 2 seasons, I feel like he would have more leverage.

 

He knows that Cam was responsible for only 5 wins this season and that the rib injury he sustained is sort of on Cam.

 

Bus might not push it this season but instruct Cam to wait a year, ball out, and then get big bucks contract.

 

Gman and Bus are both sharks, but this time around, Cams blood is in the water

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This season is one that Bus would probably just as soon forget.  If he were negotiationg a contract based on the first 2 seasons, I feel like he would have more leverage.

 

He knows that Cam was responsible for only 5 wins this season and that the rib injury he sustained is sort of on Cam.

 

Bus might not push it this season but instruct Cam to wait a year, ball out, and then get big bucks contract.

 

Gman and Bus are both sharks, but this time around, Cams blood is in the water

 

what do you think the panthers should do?

 

contract wise i mean

 

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what do you think the panthers should do?

 

contract wise i mean

 

 

Gman is the CFO, so to speak, so he is not in the greatest position either.

 

He can be prudent and offer like a $15 million that could go up to $20 million, but Bus would probably not go for it.

 

Bus could worry that if he doesn't take it and Cam gets hurt again, that his guy might make less.

 

Gman also risks Cam having a great season and then having to pony up more guaranteed after next season.  It is not as cut and dried as everyone thinks.

 

Half of the fans here now clamoring for big bucks for Cam would bring up how stupid Gman was each time Cam throws an INT next season if Cam were signed to a monster deal.  I don't get why guys go from Gman is great to Gman needs to be fired from one week to the next.  You can also sub in Cam, Rivera and on down the line.

 

One thing I think I would do if I were Gman is to offer the prudent contract and then if Cam does have a monster season next year and we cannot afford to sign him, someone in the league would offer a monster trade to get his services.  At least Gman could get something great for him if we could not afford him

 

Bottom line, wait and see.

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Gman is the CFO, so to speak, so he is not in the greatest position either.

 

He can be prudent and offer like a $15 million that could go up to $20 million, but Bus would probably not go for it.

 

Bus could worry that if he doesn't take it and Cam gets hurt again, that his guy might make less.

 

Gman also risks Cam having a great season and then having to pony up more guaranteed after next season.  It is not as cut and dried as everyone thinks.

 

Half of the fans here now clamoring for big bucks for Cam would bring up how stupid Gman was each time Cam throws an INT next season if Cam were signed to a monster deal.  I don't get why guys go from Gman is great to Gman needs to be fired from one week to the next.  You can also sub in Cam, Rivera and on down the line.

 

One thing I think I would do if I were Gman is to offer the prudent contract and then if Cam does have a monster season next year and we cannot afford to sign him, someone in the league would offer a monster trade to get his services.  At least Gman could get something great for him if we could not afford him

 

Bottom line, wait and see.

 

we need to lock him down now.

 

our team seems to be on the upswing with our youth movement. Especially on the line. Things are about to be shored up with the little more change we have now. Cam will be healthy (hopefully) to start the year. we have another draft and DG has been stellar.

 

lock him up now before he explodes. hopefully they do.

 

 

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I wonder if Lions fans created this type of thread for Matt Stafford before his contract. The guy has not won a single game against a winning team, yet I doubt Lions fans complained as much about him as panthers fans complain about Cam.

Yeah I don't get it. Cam is a guy we should be excited about, instead there is the persistent "Yeah but...." crowd that will never be satisfied unless he puts up unreasonable numbers and single handidly carries us to 10 wins a season already. Not 12 wins that they can just dismiss as the defense just carried him, but 10 wins by himself or else he isn't a franchise QB.

They are holding him to the standard of a 30+ 7-10 year vet by the time he is 25. It is absurd on its face, and unless another Andrew Luck comes around and happens to fall into our lap, they aren't likely to ever see that guy here.

So I can only assume that they will never be satisfied with a young franchise QB, who just happens to be still developing.

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One of the big differences I see is that when people point out issues surrounding the offense and specifically surrounding Cam when we struggle, a certain faction of the fanbase view it as saying Cam is perfect and everyone else is to blame.

The reality is that most people see the issues and observe a shared blame and defend Cam Newton against those they feel are laying all the blame at Cam's feet, because they understand that quarterback isn't played in a vacuum.

That faction fancies themselves as the intellectual realists who cannot be blinded by passion and emotion like the poor, poor Cam nuthuggers who just can't see clearly through their own homerism and fandom.

Yet somehow they still miss the realistic fact that a 25 year old QB can't single handedly overcome the o-line issues we were having throughout the middle of the season. And he shouldn't be expected to at this stage of his career.

Then they watch Sunday Night Football and see Peyton Manning or Tom Brady destroy defenses every week and think "Well, Cam Newton isn't nearly as good as these guys" without realizing that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning were not nearly as good when they were 25 as they are now either.

As Gettleman said in the press conference "Everyone wants guys to be great yesterday. It doesn't work that way for anybody"

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Bend on one knee and thank Baby Jesus every day Cam is on the roster.

 

And that's just it in a nutshell.

 

Some people don't think rationally about how hard it is to find an upper tier QB in this league. Maybe Cam is in the top 5 in a year or so, or maybe he stays in the 5 to 12 range. Either way, those guys are very hard to find. 

 

Look at who's left in the playoffs. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson and Luck. Guys like that don't grow on trees. Maybe Cam belongs in that group or maybe he is somewhere outside of it. But he's someone to build around, and someone we can win with. 

 

The whole argument of "well, we're going to play hardball and if he doesn't sign, we'll just trade him away for picks and find our next QB" is incredibly naive. We'll end up with the next RGIII or Geno Smith or we'll go the vet route and end up with what Tampa had this year. 

 

Is that really what you want?

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