Core players vs non core players list..

[Omega Atrocity]

Zeller been not even mediocre at best

You really need to learn how to watch basketball. He has been a fine rotational player.

[rmoneyg35]

Cody is a mystery to me. One game e has 20 points and 10 rebounds then the next he has 0 points. I want to say he is improving but his inconsistency scares me.

I thought Kemba really improved this year and I have high hopes for his future. Hendo has proved he can be a solid player, maybe not a starter but at least a 6th man.

Vonleh will take time to develop and I don't know if PJ can stay out of trouble long enough to become a good player in the nba.

MKG is starting to really become a solid player and probably will be our best player on the roster. He is starting to shoot the ball more and has improved his jump shot. He already is a solid defensive player and when he isn't playing our team suffers.

[Cheek]

You guys are being too hard on Cody man, he is playing solid for his 2nd season in the league and he improved a hell of a lot in a one year period imo. He is only 22, he has at least another 4 years until he starts to hit his prime. I'm pretty sure he'll turn out to be a fine NBA player. 

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Solid game from Mr. Zeller tonight.

16 points (70%), 8 rebounds, 3 assists.

Not to bad for a bust... am I doing it right, Chuck?

[cbarrier90]

At this point we need to find out who are keepers and who can be traded..

MKg, Kemba, Vonleh, Biz, and H arriston are keepers and Core players for me..

The rest can be traded imo..

 

It really depends on how you define "core" players. IMO, it's the guys that are either untouchable or would need a blockbuster deal to trade away, and right now that only guy is MKG, who has unquestionably been the team's most important player.

 

No one else on the roster can affect the game like he can, and I don't see any "star" power on the roster outside of MKG and maybe Kemba if he can knock down shots consistently and do so without wearing himself out. The rest I could definitely see being moved in the coming years especially since the talent base of the team in general needs to be improved dramatically if we really want to think about being a consistent 40-50 win team without having to rely on Lance Stephensons and Al Jeffersons to get us to respectability.

 

That Philly game was a stunning eye opener that I hope the FO won't forget this offseason. Without MKG this team talent wise could easily be looking at Mudiay or Okafor right now. If we're going to judge core players simply because of their position in their respective drafts, that's not setting the bar high enough.

[pantherfan49]

No doubt that MKG is best player on this team.

And our best player has an improving but still awful offensive game. Tells you what you need to know about this roster.

[MichaelNewtonII]

You really need to learn how to watch basketball. He has been a fine rotational player.

Noel has been a fine starter and shown enormous potential, something I can't say for cody

[MichaelNewtonII]

Vonleh and Zeller were the right picks for what they are doing in Clifford's system.

Vonleh was a "value pick" which in reality, the other teams who didn't take him early like he was projected to go, probably realized throughout the process he wasn't going to be much.

And zeller, was a pick due to an insanely good workout with our team, much like how aaron gordon had a great workout in Orlando this year and got picked very early which wasn't expected. I believe that our team knew Noel was the better talent but took cody because he was available to play immediately & he had shown them good things in his workout (which a lot of those things he doesn't do in game)

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Vonleh was a "value pick" which in reality, the other teams who didn't take him early like he was projected to go, probably realized throughout the process he wasn't going to be much.

And zeller, was a pick due to an insanely good workout with our team, much like how aaron gordon had a great workout in Orlando this year and got picked very early which wasn't expected. I believe that our team knew Noel was the better talent but took cody because he was available to play immediately & he had shown them good things in his workout (which a lot of those things he doesn't do in game)

No....

Other teams realized that Vonleh is a project and instead of trying to build a team they focused on getting quick results... obviously those teams failed as four of those players are injured, two are mediocre, and one can't even get on the floor.

The only team that has prospered is the Bucks and that's due to J-Kidd.

[Carl Spackler]

You really need to learn how to watch basketball. He has been a fine rotational player.

 

At this point it's just obvious that Chuck has never watched a Hornets game. Or, for that matter, any NBA game. He just regurgitates what other mouth-breathers say about Kemba or Zeller while slurping MKG and fawning over the "next big thing" like Myck Kabongo.

[Omega Atrocity]

I'm only using Zeller's stats for this season, a lot of his stats were better last year actually.

 

Cody Zeller:

11.1 pts/36, 8.5 reb/36, 1.2 blk/36

13.7 PER, 52.5 TS%, 13.6 RB%, .119 WS/48, 0.5 box +/-

 

Nerlens Noel:

10.2 pts/36, 8.7 reb/36, 2.3 blk/36

13.0 PER, 47.6 TS%, 13.2 RB%, .057 WS/48, -0.3 box +/-

 

Can we please kill the weird notion that Noel is much better than Zeller now? I don't understand why so many people love Noel when his stats are pretty much the same as Zeller's.

[Cheek]

I'm only using Zeller's stats for this season, a lot of his stats were better last year actually.

 

Cody Zeller:

11.1 pts/36, 8.5 reb/36, 1.2 blk/36

13.7 PER, 52.5 TS%, 13.6 RB%, .119 WS/48, 0.5 box +/-

 

Nerlens Noel:

10.2 pts/36, 8.7 reb/36, 2.3 blk/36

13.0 PER, 47.6 TS%, 13.2 RB%, .057 WS/48, -0.3 box +/-

 

Can we please kill the weird notion that Noel is much better than Zeller now? I don't understand why so many people love Noel when his stats are pretty much the same as Zeller's.

Exactly. I mean, to be honest Zeller will never be the defensive player Noel is, but he will still be solid defensively. What does our team need right now though? Scoring. Zeller will be a much better scorer than Noel will be. Post game, Mid range jumpers, and a big thing is Zeller can hit his free throws unlike Noel. And you have to remember these are Noel's stats playing 30+ mins on a pathetic 76ers team. Imagine if Zeller was in that situation... might be average like 16 ppg 10 rbs for all we know. 

[Carl Spackler]

No doubt that MKG is best player on this team.

 

No way. I don't understand the love affair fans have with this guy. (Not that you and I have ever agreed on anything, but that's beside the point.)

 

He's not bad and he's a good defender, the best on the team. Even though he "held" Carmelo to 61 points last year. But best player? Nope. He's not a go-to guy, he's not a scorer, he can't take over a game. He will never be an All-Star. He will never represent this team in the Olympics. He's lovable for reasons I don't understand, especially considering he's Gerald Wallace without the scoring ability or consistency. 

 

But far be it from me to mess with the MKG Fan Club that exists on here and another board.

[cbarrier90]

No way. I don't understand the love affair fans have with this guy. (Not that you and I have ever agreed on anything, but that's beside the point.)

 

He's not bad and he's a good defender, the best on the team. Even though he "held" Carmelo to 61 points last year. But best player? Nope. He's not a go-to guy, he's not a scorer, he can't take over a game. He will never be an All-Star. He will never represent this team in the Olympics. He's lovable for reasons I don't understand, especially considering he's Gerald Wallace without the scoring ability or consistency. 

 

But far be it from me to mess with the MKG Fan Club that exists on here and another board.

 

I...I don't even know where to begin with this...

 

Let's just agree to disagree and move on...