Phillip Dorsett to meet with Panthers

[gettlemanjack]

Brown is our one-dimensional WR and Ginn would fit that same bill ...

we don't need a burner.

Ginn was injured at the Combine so didn't run, but at his Pro Day ran a 4.38

Philly ran a 4.51 at Combine then 4.52 at Pro Day

Especially considering that Ginn turns 30 in 2 weeks, those two aren't even in the same stratosphere as Dorsett when it comes to speed

[ncfan]

Remember when people on this site used to constantly complain about UNC homers?  The Miami homers have far surpassed any UNC homer annoyance.

 

Pretty much.

 

Live down in Miami area.  Many Friends/neighbors/co workers who are Canes fans, Season ticket holders, Alums, Students etc.  And doesn't even seem like they are even quite the homers over this as some on here.  The Kid is a 5'9 Ted Ginn.  Sounds like he had a good showing at his pro day.  But the game isn't played in shorts or 7 on 7 type passing drills.  Will be highly upset if we take him in the 2nd round or possibly even 3rd.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bartin]

There's always this in regards to Dorsett. Our staff puts more of an emphasis on WR blocking than most I think.

 

 

Sam Monson @PFF_Sam · 4h4 hours ago

Phillip Dorsett might be the worst blocker I've ever seen. Whiffs on most of them, even when he makes contact he's run through/bounced

 

[LUUUUUKE]

Tavon Austin?

Dorsett and Austin were nothing alike in college. That's not a good comparison. Austin did most of his damage behind the line of scrimmage, after the catch, and on intermediate routes. Dorsett was just a vertical threat. Also Austin actually produced in college where as Dorsett did not.

I see you trollin

[EgoDogg]

Tavon Austin?

 

 

 

Dorsett and Austin were nothing alike in college. That's not a good comparison. Austin did most of his damage behind the line of scrimmage, after the catch, and on intermediate routes. Dorsett was just a vertical threat. Also Austin actually produced in college where as Dorsett did not.

 

Thanks for informing me. I don't follow college as closely as I used to. I remember how stoked everyone got largely because of Tavon's speed, and flash-backed to that

[gettlemanjack]

ESPN:

"Dorsett opted to dazzle coaches, general managers and scouts one more time with his blazing speed and good hands. He officially ran a 4.25 and 4.27 during a pair of 40-yard dashes, performed good routes and didn't gave any drops during passing drills.

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Dorsett's two sprints Wednesday morning created a buzz from NFL personnel and onlookers. I saw several scouts looking at each other's stopwatches to make sure they had the right sub-4.3 time after Dorsett crossed the finish line."

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/14116/wr-phillip-dorsett-shines-at-hurricanes-pro-day

[LUUUUUKE]

Gettleman Jack, did that article say zero drops, official sub 4.3, and good routes? Wow, if only the media had jumped on his bandwagon earlier, then maybe everyone else here would actually know who he was.

[Pox2]

I see you trollin

 

 

I don't know what your problem is but it seems like you really like Dorsett and agitated that I don't feel the same way about him as you do.

 

 

It's not really arguable, Tavon Austin was an elite play maker in college and actually produced as a WR and on special teams. You can't say the same thing for Dorsett.

 

 

Dorsett was primarily a vertical threat in Miami offense. Austin did his damage on screens, reverses, intermediate passes, and after the catch. He was not the vertical threat Dorsett was but WVU schemed plays for him to utilize him in space. Miami did not do that with Dorsett.

 

 

There was nothing wrong with what I said, the two were nothing alike in college. This will probably be my last response to you because your bias is clouding your judgement.

[TheNewStandard]

Ginn was injured at the Combine so didn't run, but at his Pro Day ran a 4.38

Philly ran a 4.51 at Combine then 4.52 at Pro Day

Especially considering that Ginn turns 30 in 2 weeks, those two aren't even in the same stratosphere as Dorsett when it comes to speed

that is real speed for sure, but can he block and be physical at the line of scrimmage? can he use his body to get separation and can he climb the ladder to get to the high point?

DBs give cushions for a reason and they do it to keep from getting burned. Cushions negate speed and straight line speed is a deceptive measurement as WR generally use cuts and moves to gain separation.

if the guy has strength and can recover in his route after getting bumped and pressed, then he can be a real weapon, otherwise he will end up running like he is in quicksand. Seam routes are best utilized for straight line speed but that happens between the hash marks.

again...if this guy can do the same things Brown and Ginn are able to do, then we should take a flyer out on him but otherwise, he's a fast guy that is totally raw and taken off his route before he gets position to make a play.

if we draft a receiver, he needs to be physical, experienced and quick/fast with knowledge of about blocking down field with the ability to shed defenders and high point the pass on the go.

[LUUUUUKE]

I don't know what your problem is but it seems like you really like Dorsett and agitated that I don't feel the same way about him as you do.

It's not really arguable, Tavon Austin was an elite play maker in college and actually produced as a WR and on special teams. You can't say the same thing for Dorsett.

Dorsett was primarily a vertical threat in Miami offense. Austin did his damage on screens, reverses, intermediate passes, and after the catch. He was not the vertical threat Dorsett was but WVU schemed plays for him to utilize him in space. Miami did not do that with Dorsett.

There was nothing wrong with what I said, the two were nothing alike in college. This will probably be my last response to you because your bias is clouding your judgement.

My judgement is not clouded whatsoever. I never compared the two at all and couldnt care less about Austin.

Even if you were right, which you're definitely not, and Dorsett was only a one trick pony, teams knew this and game planned for it. That means he smoked CBs in this years 1st round, and they knew he was only a "vertical threat"

Also, you and I can disagree all day, but there was a lot of talent on that Miami team, and nobody can help how he was utilized.

For you to try to undervalue him based off of your own comparisons when the tape and metrics are there, you're right, the conversation between us should be over.

[gettlemanjack]

Ginn was injured at the Combine so didn't run, but at his Pro Day ran a 4.38

Philly ran a 4.51 at Combine then 4.52 at Pro Day

Especially considering that Ginn turns 30 in 2 weeks, those two aren't even in the same stratosphere as Dorsett when it comes to speed

Gettleman, Mar 12:

"In this day and age, you've got to have a guy that can take the top off the coverage. Corey (Brown) has the speed to do it, and he did it for us once we inserted him in the lineup last year. But what's wrong with having two guys who can do it?

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Panthers-keeping-key-personnel/9bc5a390-f8d4-42df-bcd6-4543c661c80d

Fox Sports:

GET FASTER. Gettleman and head coach Ron Rivera, who spoke before Gettleman did, each acknowledged that the team is slow and needs to gain speed across the board, especially at wide receiver.

"Ron and I have talked the last couple days, and we'd like to get faster," Gettleman said. "We need more speed"

http://www.foxsports.com/carolinas/story/carolina-panthers-gm-dave-gettleman-looking-for-speed-in-offseason-011315

Panthers.com:

NEED FOR SPEED: Upgrading team speed is a priority this offseason. Gettleman and Rivera both made that clear. "We'd like to get faster," Gettleman said. "We need more speed."

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Gettleman-proud-of-Panthers/473d065b-5317-4c79-9aa6-a50540c03dd9

Panthers beat writer for ESPN David Newton:

Primary need: Speed. “We need more speed,’’ Gettleman said. My take? Pretty obvious, find more speed. Gettleman mentioned the draft will be strong at wide receiver again. Finding a receiver with elite speed to put opposite Kelvin Benjamin..at No. 25 would be a nice fit.

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/11837/reading-beteween-lines-of-ron-rivera-dave-gettleman?src=mobile

Voth:

When asked how the Panthers need to improve, adding speed was the prevalent answer from Gettleman and coach Ron Rivera. ... look for the Panthers to add faster guys to the receiving corps

http://blackandbluereview.com/dave-gettleman-intriguing-comments/

but see Mar 24:

Gettleman said: “We’ve addressed the speed wide receiver spot."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article16197296.html

[gettlemanjack]

[LUUUUUKE]

Gettleman, Mar 12:

"In this day and age, you've got to have a guy that can take the top off the coverage. Corey (Brown) has the speed to do it, and he did it for us once we inserted him in the lineup last year. But what's wrong with having two guys who can do it?

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Panthers-keeping-key-personnel/9bc5a390-f8d4-42df-bcd6-4543c661c80d

Fox Sports:

GET FASTER. Gettleman and head coach Ron Rivera, who spoke before Gettleman did, each acknowledged that the team is slow and needs to gain speed across the board, especially at wide receiver.

"Ron and I have talked the last couple days, and we'd like to get faster," Gettleman said. "We need more speed"

http://www.foxsports.com/carolinas/story/carolina-panthers-gm-dave-gettleman-looking-for-speed-in-offseason-011315

Panthers.com:

NEED FOR SPEED: Upgrading team speed is a priority this offseason. Gettleman and Rivera both made that clear. "We'd like to get faster," Gettleman said. "We need more speed."

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/Gettleman-proud-of-Panthers/473d065b-5317-4c79-9aa6-a50540c03dd9

Panthers beat writer for ESPN David Newton:

Primary need: Speed. “We need more speed,’’ Gettleman said. My take? Pretty obvious, find more speed. Gettleman mentioned the draft will be strong at wide receiver again. Finding a receiver with elite speed to put opposite Kelvin Benjamin..at No. 25 would be a nice fit.

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/11837/reading-beteween-lines-of-ron-rivera-dave-gettleman?src=mobile

Voth:

When asked how the Panthers need to improve, adding speed was the prevalent answer from Gettleman and coach Ron Rivera. ... look for the Panthers to add faster guys to the receiving corps

http://blackandbluereview.com/dave-gettleman-intriguing-comments/

but see Mar 24:

Gettleman said: “We’ve addressed the speed wide receiver spot."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article16197296.html

You've done well proving our point. The writing is obviously on the wall, if they're failing to see it it's on them.

[Pox2]

My judgement is not clouded whatsoever. I never compared the two at all and couldnt care less about Austin.

Even if you were right, which you're definitely not, and Dorsett was only a one trick pony, teams knew this and game planned for it. That means he smoked CBs in this years 1st round, and they knew he was only a "vertical threat"

Also, you and I can disagree all day, but there was a lot of talent on that Miami team, and nobody can help how he was utilized.

For you to try to undervalue him based off of your own comparisons when the tape and metrics are there, you're right, the conversation between us should be over.

 

If you have not noticed by now Phillip Dorsett averaged 24.2 yards per receptions this past season, so yeah, he was a one trick pony. Piggy backing off of the last post where you called me a troll, Tavon Austin on the other hand only averaged 11 yards per reception his Jr and Sr year. So obviously, Dorsett and Austin were used much differently and not really comparable (like I said).

 

 

I would expect Dorsett to blow by cornerbacks, he's FAST, that's noting new.