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NFL states they will 'no longer rely on the legal system'

Mr. Scot

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And that's why it's going to be a problem. Most companies are going to let the legal process play out before making a determination of your innocence/guilt. They're not going to launch a full investigation, completely on their own accord, to determine for themselves, whether or not you're guilty. You may get suspended with pay, or something of that nature, until they find out for sure, via the legal system. It would be completely stupid to fire someone based off of getting arrested anyway, because we all know how easy it is to have someone arrested, guilty or not. It's setting yourself up for massive lawsuits. What's happening here, is not even remotely close to how other companies handle these situations.

Honestly, with most major corporations, if you're accused of a crime - especially domestic violence or a sex crime - it's true that they're not going to launch their own investigation. More than likely, they'll just go ahead and fire you.

Wanna sue? Okay. the company will probably cite their right to protect their image and assets as well as their duty to protect female employees from a hostile environment (something which a potential abuser in their midst would create). And in all likelihood, your case will get thrown out.

I'm not sure what your work experience has been, but the truth is even in states that recognize you as having a right to work, no one can say they have a right to work for a particular employer. So if that employer terminates you,that's pretty much it.

The courts have backed up the rights of companies to fire an employee who posted something unflattering on social media. What makes you think they'd overturn the firing of someone charged with an actual crime?

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Honestly, with most major corporations, if you're accused of a crime - especially domestic violence or a sex crime - it's true that they're not going to launch their own investigation. More than likely, they'll just go ahead and fire you.

Wanna sue? Okay. the company will probably cite their right to protect their image and assets as well as their duty to protect female employees from a hostile environment (something which a potential abuser in their midst would create). And in all likelihood, your case will get thrown out.

I'm not sure what your work experience has been, but the truth is even in states that recognize you as having a right to work, no one can say they have a right to work for a particular employer. So if that employer terminates you,that's pretty much it.

The courts have backed up the rights of companies to fire an employee who posted something unflattering on social media. What makes you think they'd overturn the firing of someone charged with an actual crime?

I have not worked for a lot of companies so I'm not saying you are wrong, but I can not imagine that a company who's employees are unionized would allow someone to be fired based on accusations.  If I'm next in line for your job, I just slip some crack ho some bucks to accuse you of something.  Its her word against yours.  You get fired.  It just sounds unreasonable.

 

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Not intentionally :unsure:

I just noticed it myself. If I did it, it was by accident.

Can it be undone? I've never really used that feature.

 

Maybe if you click "Best Answer" again, either on the same response or another answer, it'll change it?  :dunno:

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I have not worked for a lot of companies so I'm not saying you are wrong, but I can not imagine that a company who's employees are unionized would allow someone to be fired based on accusations. If I'm next in line for your job, I just slip some crack ho some bucks to accuse you of something. Its her word against yours. You get fired. It just sounds unreasonable.

There'd have to be enough evidence to make it credible. And frankly. if there's enough evidence that the police are willing to arrest you, then there's probably enough to fire you.

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That's what I was thinking.  At the same time though, what if their decision is completely contradicted by a court of law later down the line?  What if they punish a player, but the courts don't find the same "credible evidence" 6 months later when the real trial is held?  

 

 

Two different standards of evidence.

 

The justice system uses the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

 

I don't think the NFL, as a corporate entity, is required to use that same standard.  Most corporations don't, I'm 99.999% positive.

 

Tell you what, work in Public Relations as a face of a corporation and have a video of you come out on YouTube of you raging drunk and taking a leak against a wall outside of a bar.  Would you be in trouble with the law after the fact?  Probably not.  Hell, not only would you not be convicted, but you probably wouldn't even be charged.  They wouldn't waist their time or money.  

 

But I bet your company would fire your butt faster than you could say Captain Jack Sparrow.

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Except in the scenario I suggested, there was no violation of company policy according to the court of law.  The legal system has found Joe Blow innocent, after the employer suggested guilt.  Of course, I'm talking about more serious offenses, such as domestic violence, and things like that, which are going to require court proceedings to get straightened out.

 

 

Except If you're in a union or work for the government, you're employer can fire you for any damn reason they want except for race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.

 

You seem to be surprised by this?

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One thing, if the NFL isn't going to rely on the justice system, then what's the point of a guy sitting on the exempt list forever waiting for a trial that could take years. Then even if found not guilty the NFL just ignores it and punishes the guy anyway.

 

Why wait for the justice system to play out if you're going to ignore it? Do an investigation immediately anytime someone is accused of something and make a decision on if they're going to be punished or not. None of this sitting on the exempt list for an eternity without any real process.

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Lol at people touting the NFL's absolute right. There is nothing like that and people file wrongful termination lawsuits against companies all the time. Companies can fire employees at will but let us not act as if companies have not been sued in many such cases.

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