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What about Rivera?


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I'm sorry, but we're not winning a Super Bowl until Rivera and Shula leave. Unfortunately, that means McDermott, Washington and Wilks will have to leave too but Ron just doesn't possess enough of a tactical mind to win. He still struggles with game management and in-game adjustments.

Then there's Shula. There was a reason why he hasn't had a high profile job in years.

Since you can see the future, shouldn't you own your own NFL team by now, and be winning the SB every year?

 

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This is the year that Ron has to make significant clear growth as our head coach, and stay there. There is absolutely no way around that.

We've all seen it, whether we want to acknowledge it or not. In the last 4 years, it seems like he takes one step forward, but then later followed by two steps back. He claims to have learned from the past, but keeps repeating similar mistakes, and the playing not to lose mentality keeps reappearing.

Eventually in football these games come down to coaching, especially the closer you get to the ultimate goal.

Overly conservative, indecisive, and inconsistent coaching will not win us a Super Bowl.

It's no secret that the Seattle Seahawks are a very talented team. But the most important factor that ultimately makes all those moving parts go? Pete Carroll. Same thing in New England with Bill Belichick. Regardless of how you feel about either of those teams, they pretty much have the two best head coaches in the NFL right now, and their consistent abilities not only to evaluate and mold talent, but their awareness and decision making on gamedays where it counts the most is what separates them from the pack.

If you want a recent example of the importance of this, look at the Packers/Seahawks NFC Championship game.

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You guys can be "half full" all you want... until the seasonal disappointment commences.

Don't get me wrong, I want to believe too but Ron was part of that San Diego juggernaut that greatly underachieved. History is only repeating itself here now. Until we get an actual head coach, we'll be having slow starts, and remain winless after bye-weeks.

I'd love to be wrong here but...

​Then go be a fan of a team with "an actual head coach."

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This is where I stand on the question, but I wasn't sure if I was completely lost in the wilderness with supporting the proverbial "ying/yang" relationship between Rivera and Gettleman. Over the past few years it seems like both have grown with each other and where Rivera fails Gettleman succeeds. Ron may be bad at offense, but Gettleman thrives at drafting players that take the load off. For me, Rivera and Gettleman compliment each other very well.

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Blah, blah, blah... you're not a real fan... blah, blah, blah... Clausen will be our franchise QB... blah, blah, blah... we'll be okay without Kris Jenkins... blah, blah, blah.

Save it. I've heard the idiotic absolutist comments before. Try something more original. I've got three years worth of data that sides with my argument.

Ron just isn't gonna get us there. He simply doesn't have it.

​Nothing in any year that Rivera has coached us has indicated that he CAN'T win a Super Bowl as a head coach. That is nonsense.

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If feel Rivera&Gettleman together is the perfect pair because Rivera knows Defense and GettlemanOfGod knows talent so if we add talent with the teaching of how thing should be done' it's a no miss situation' I also feel Rivera knows talent as well but was also dealing with Salary remember so now that GettlemanOfGod has done his do diligence Rivera can get talent here and also keep it" When 2 or more agree/are gathered then God is present

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Other than his inability to close out games with our offense, prepare on a consistent basis, adjust to the opposing offense/defense, manage the clock, etc. Yep, there's absolutely NOTHING that indicates Ron can't lead us to the promise land. 

​You have no experience or knowledge to be able to make a definitive argument that any of those reasons you brought up are true. You're a fan who knows nothing about the game of football as a whole and is just spouting out whatever comes to mind in a state of anger and disappointment after losses, without any evidence at all backing up your theories. 

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We out of Salary cap hell, we are able to sign our best players, We have alot of talent that has only got beta, Cam is health for the first time since ankle problems in college, 2013 draft was almost totally starters, if we wasn't lock at certain position we possibly could have 5 more starters right now!! 2 or more that has first round talent in Fun2Watch & Shaq + who know what CAP would do if we didn't have Stew and had the bulk of the carries or Mayo he's like a nat, Mosquito or one of the black flies that attack u in the pool lol.. Done forget Williams he's a monster!! Just might start on the right"

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Riverboat Ron&GettlemanFromGod done all that with best Wide receiver coach ever!!!!!! He could make Boykins reliable but he has so much to work with that's bigger and faster in Hill and Corey just turned into a flash from the past (up & coming Steve Smith) done believe me just watch" Rivera for President* O yeh bring Smith back so we can have 2 of those

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​You have no experience or knowledge to be able to make a definitive argument that any of those reasons you brought up are true. You're a fan who knows nothing about the game of football as a whole and is just spouting out whatever comes to mind in a state of anger and disappointment after losses, without any evidence at all backing up your theories. 

You're delusional 

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riverboat ron vs. paddleboat ron

the only thing he does consistently is flip flop between the two.

if he can decide to be riverboat ron with consistency, we win consistently.

i think both he and shula get scared and coach scared and tap the brakes far too much. they ovethink and overanalyze and paralyze the team in the process.

i think ron does a good job of getting players ready for games (although i think he has made some very questionable personnel decisions), but his problem has always been game management. same with shula.

i think gettleman has always done well with what he has been given to work with. its a different story with ron.

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