Panthers vs Seahawks

[TheRed]

I really hate that reasoning, especially in a game like football where every possession counts, even more so for a playoff game where it's win or go home... every possession is huge.  Especially against a defense like Seattle, where your scoring opportunities are going to be limited to begin with.

Yeah, it was like a punt, but it was definitely something to worry about when you have a wide open KB for 20+ yards in the middle of the field.  Who knows?  Maybe if he doesn't throw that INT and instead finds KB, maybe we eventually turn that drive into a TD.

You can't expect a team to walk into the defending Super Bowl champions house in the playoffs with a completely gutted WR core, paired with an injury riddled OL, and expect some chances not to be taken, and some mistakes not to be made. Our offense last year was not built to score points all that quickly, let alone keep up with an opposing offense that our defense allowed a ridiculous stat line for on third down. Luckily we have added some needed pieces to our offense since then.

[t96]

I already knew you would deflect. Typical.

We have different opinions. No need to take this further like you're trying to do. 

[Castavar]

We have different opinions. No need to take this further like you're trying to do. 

I thought you were trying to be sarcastic. My b.

[RelaxImaPro]

You can't expect a team to walk into the defending Super Bowl champions house in the playoffs with a completely gutted WR core, paired with an injury riddled OL, and expect some chances not to be taken, and some mistakes not to be made. Our offense last year was not built to score points all that quickly, let alone keep up with an opposing offense that our defense allowed a ridiculous stat line for on third down. Luckily we have added some needed pieces to our offense since then.

Not sure how that's all that relevant to what I said, unless you're just wanting to build up a straw man just for the sake of arguing.

Someone mentioned Cam played an amazing game.  I added onto that by somewhat agreeing saying he was pretty good other than those two interceptions - and that both of those interceptions were really bad.  Go and look at the All-22 of both plays.  I'm not talking about the the two teams, how they're built, or what Seattle's offense was doing to our defense... just solely Cam's performance.  Both of those interceptions were entirely avoidable because he had open guys on both of them.

When you have a wide open man, who is your #1 receiver at that, wide open 20 yards downfield... and you instead elect to throw it into tight coverage against arguably the best CB in the game that's not "taking a chance", that's just a bad play no matter how you try to look at it.  I love Cam and all, but those two plays were costly in a game where we needed as much help from our offense as we could get.  We could've gotten points out of both of those drives, and in the pick 6's case, kept Seattle from getting an additional 7.

[t96]

I thought you were trying to be sarcastic. My b.

Just trying to tone down getting into heated arguments when others have a different opinion than me. It's happened a lot before and turned into personal arguments and it never goes anywhere with legitimate football discussion. I understand what you're saying and of course I have some amount of homerism, but I still stand by what I said. Cam played great considering what he had to work with against an all-time good defense, especially when compared with how Rodgers played and how Peyton played last year. The Brady comparison may be a stretch because he had a good game and I made it clear that I didn't think Cam played way better than him, but I do believe an argument could be made that Cam played better in the divisional game than Brady did in the Super Bowl when you consider every single factor. It's just 2 games though, I'm not saying Cam's better than Brady or anything like that. Every QB has great games and bad games. I just like how our future looks with how well Cam played against such a great D. That game was lost by our defense, not our offense when everybody thought it would be our lack of scoring that would lose us the Seattle game.

[BigBoss]

Cam was not amazing he was alright

[Castavar]

Just trying to tone down getting into heated arguments when others have a different opinion than me. It's happened a lot before and turned into personal arguments and it never goes anywhere with legitimate football discussion. I understand what you're saying and of course I have some amount of homerism, but I still stand by what I said. Cam played great considering what he had to work with against an all-time good defense, especially when compared with how Rodgers played and how Peyton played last year. The Brady comparison may be a stretch because he had a good game and I made it clear that I didn't think Cam played way better than him, but I do believe an argument could be made that Cam played better in the divisional game than Brady did in the Super Bowl when you consider every single factor. It's just 2 games though, I'm not saying Cam's better than Brady or anything like that. Every QB has great games and bad games. I just like how our future looks with how well Cam played against such a great D. That game was lost by our defense, not our offense when everybody thought it would be our lack of scoring that would lose us the Seattle game.

Oh ok.

I respect that perspective. Yes, Cam played a very good game. However, I still think that Rodgers and Brady played better against them. I thought that both Brady and Rodgers recognized certain situations better and made way better decisions. If not for the Packers D and special teams collapse, they would have won fairly easy, As for Cam, I also thought he played a good game, but in order to be a championship caliber team, he has to play better than good. But (like you said), it is pretty hard to do that considering those variables you mentioned. I still think if we want to win a superbowl, Cam has got to take his game to another level, and now that we are going into this season with the best supporting cast he has had, I can't wait to see if he does take that next step. I think he will. Sorry about the confusion.

[pantherphan96]

Gotta give Gano a 10/10 on that flop after Chancellor jumped the line the 2nd time.

[TheRed]

Not sure how that's all that relevant to what I said, unless you're just wanting to build up a straw man just for the sake of arguing.

Someone mentioned Cam played an amazing game.  I added onto that by somewhat agreeing saying he was pretty good other than those two interceptions - and that both of those interceptions were really bad.  Go and look at the All-22 of both plays.  I'm not talking about the the two teams, how they're built, or what Seattle's offense was doing to our defense... just solely Cam's performance.  Both of those interceptions were entirely avoidable because he had open guys on both of them.

When you have a wide open man, who is your #1 receiver at that, wide open 20 yards downfield... and you instead elect to throw it into tight coverage against arguably the best CB in the game that's not "taking a chance", that's just a bad play no matter how you try to look at it.  I love Cam and all, but those two plays were costly in a game where we needed as much help from our offense as we could get.  We could've gotten points out of both of those drives, and in the pick 6's case, kept Seattle from getting an additional 7.

No strawman. Simply pointing out that our team as a whole was simply not ready to beat the Seahawks, they all need to step it up this year.

I definitely don't think that Cam played "amazing". But not many quarterbacks do so against the Seattle defense. Even Aaron Rodgers struggled.

Basic point is, Newton knows that he has things to improve on, he forced a few passes, not the end of the world. He'll learn from it.