Panther's draft picks

[Lt Pinkerton]

Thirty-three of the 51 players on the roster were originally drafted by the Panthers.

That's pretty good right!!??

[dpanthersman]

if we win..yes. if we lose...not so much

[Cyberjag]

Very good.

[scpanther22]

Its good..but the panthers FO..is very stubborn about geting rid of draft picks..even when they suck..

[mountainpantherfan]

If you also count guys that came onto the team from a undrafted rookie status, even if we signed them away from another team, that number goes even higher. The number of "outsiders" that came to the team as high profile FA is very, very low. The only ones I can think of is Kemo, Lewis, Brayton, C. Harris, Lenord, Diggs, Johnson, Delhomme, McCown, Vincient, Baker and Janson. Kasay would technically be a FA brought in but after 15 years I don't think you can consider him an "outsider". Even if you did that would only be 13 players leaving 40 of the 53 draft picks or undrafted rookies or waiver claims ect.

And when you look at that list of "outsiders", most of them where outcasts before coming to the Panthers.

[thefuzz]

Good and bad.

We have some great talent, and some poor talent. O line is looking like the best investment of draft picks. While our inability to draft D linemen and develop them is killing us right now.

[2jakefansinva]

Its good..but the panthers FO..is very stubborn about geting rid of draft picks..even when they suck..

No truer words were ever spoken.

[Cyberjag]

Its good..but the panthers FO..is very stubborn about geting rid of draft picks..even when they suck..

And why wouldn't they be? If you have a guy on the bubble that you drafted and the alternative is a guy on the bubble that came here as a free agent, wouldn't you want the draft pick? They're usually cheaper and have been in the system longer.

Here's a list of our "homegrown" talent. Which ones suck and should be cut?

> 3 years on the squad:

Muhsin Muhammad, Brad Hoover, Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, Dante Wesley, Jordan Gross, Chris Gamble, Travelle Wharton, Thomas Davis, James Anderson, Jeff King, Richard Marshall, DeAngelo Williams

3rd year players:

Jon Beason, Dwayne Jarrett, Charles Johnson, Ryan Kalil, Matt Moore, Dante Rosario, Quinton Teal, C.J. Wilson

2nd year players:

Gary Barnidge, Mackenzy Bernadeau, Dan Connor, Charles Godfrey, Jeff Otah, Jonathan Stewart, Hilee Taylor, Nick Hayden, Geoff Schwartz

Rookies:

Everette Brown, Tony Fiammetta, Mike Goodson, Sherrod Martin, Captain Munnerlyn, Duke Robinson, Garry Williams

So with those names, who do you think the Panthers should give up on in favor of a free agent? And kindly name a free agent they had a shot at--we all know Haynesworth is better than Hayden but this isn't fantasy-land.

So who?

[Sultan33g]

fire them all and pick up peyton manning....FIXED

[scpanther22]

And why wouldn't they be? If you have a guy on the bubble that you drafted and the alternative is a guy on the bubble that came here as a free agent, wouldn't you want the draft pick? They're usually cheaper and have been in the system longer.

Here's a list of our "homegrown" talent. Which ones suck and should be cut?

> 3 years on the squad:

Muhsin Muhammad, Brad Hoover, Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, Dante Wesley, Jordan Gross, Chris Gamble, Travelle Wharton, Thomas Davis, James Anderson, Jeff King, Richard Marshall, DeAngelo Williams

3rd year players:

Jon Beason, Dwayne Jarrett, Charles Johnson, Ryan Kalil, Matt Moore, Dante Rosario, Quinton Teal, C.J. Wilson

2nd year players:

Gary Barnidge, Mackenzy Bernadeau, Dan Connor, Charles Godfrey, Jeff Otah, Jonathan Stewart, Hilee Taylor, Nick Hayden, Geoff Schwartz

Rookies:

Everette Brown, Tony Fiammetta, Mike Goodson, Sherrod Martin, Captain Munnerlyn, Duke Robinson, Garry Williams

So with those names, who do you think the Panthers should give up on in favor of a free agent? And kindly name a free agent they had a shot at--we all know Haynesworth is better than Hayden but this isn't fantasy-land.

So who?

Dante Wesley

James Anderson

Dwayne Jarrett

Quinton Teal, C.J. Wilson

Geoff Schwartz

Nick Hayden

Garry Williams

[Cyberjag]

That's half the question. Where are you going to get replacements for them that are better?

[Guild]

That's half the question. Where are you going to get replacements for them that are better?

The UFL brah!

[scpanther22]

That's half the question. Where are you going to get replacements for them that are better?

FA..and Draft picks

[Cyberjag]

Nice generalizations. That's all you have though, no substance, no facts, just an idea that we can just snap our fingers and get more talent on the roster.

Are you aware that you're dropping three drafted players entering their third year, two entering their second, and a rookie? That makes no sense. I guess you would have replaced Kalil because he didn't start his first year, huh? How about Hoover, I doubt he would have made your cut.

And are you planning on replacing all these guys with starting-caliber players? Aside from the lack of room under our cap, why would a potential starter come here if they weren't going to get any playing time anyway? And if you can't get a potential starter, how are the ones you're going to get an improvement on what we have?

By the way, Wesley was a starter in Miami. And you can get a free agent starter from Cincinnati in Landon Johnson who really doesn't look like an improvement on James Anderson.

So what you're saying makes no sense to me at all. It's like telling the team to go win a Super Bowl--if it was that easy everyone would do it.

It probably feels good to just criticize the front office, as if you could do better. But I don't think you thought it through very much.