Coaching Longevity (Or Lack Of It)

[Mr. Scot]

In 2011, eight head coaches were hired in the NFL.

Only two of those - Panthers Coach Ron Rivera and Cowboys Coach Jason Garrett - are still with the teams that hired them just five years ago.

The class that was dismissed?  Hue Jackson (Raiders, fired after one season) Leslie Frazier (got three years from the Vikes) Pat Shurmur (was shown the Browns revolving door after two seasons) Mike Munchak (the first of two Titans head coaches to be fired in the last five years) Jim Harbaugh (we all know that story) and our old buddy John Fox (parted ways with the Broncos after mailing in his final playoff game).

More here: In today's NFL, it's tough to build a team

Probably a similar picture if you were to look at GM hires and fires.

[Mr. Scot]

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 7h7 hours ago

For fourth straight year, NFL now has 7 HC openings. There were 7 after 2012 season, 2013 season, 2014 season and now, 7 after 2015 season.

 

So nearly a quarter of the league is firing coaches annually.

[LA_Panther]

They did Lovie Smith dirty. But the rest I saw coming

[frash.exe]

because there are a finite amount of wins to go around in the regular season, success in the NFL is directly relative. There are 256 wins to go around and we got 15 of them this year, nearly 6%. Luck plays a part but luck only goes so far. 15 wins is a testament to how good a team the Panthers have become.

The Patriots are a really good team and have always been regardless of luck. In the last 15 years, they have punched the most tickets to the playoffs and only missed it twice, in 2002 and 2008. when you think about that, 6 superbowl appearances and 4 wins doesn't seem so surprising. And while Belichick made his first appearance within 2 years of being hired by the Patriots organization, it is still looking like you don't really know what you have in a coach by the end of year 2.

In 2012 people were lamenting how good John Fox and Jim Harbaugh were. Fox hasn't proven yet since he's left the Panthers organization that he can get past .500 without a QB like Peyton Manning playing at the level he has played up until age caught up with him. And Jim Harbaugh could not cooperate with anybody in the niners organization, so he left a toxic environment and the talent level on that team immediately vaporized with so many departures and retirements.

I've been aware of the coaching turnover hovering around 25% for a while now. Many of those hirings might be guys who are just not fit to be NFL Head Coaches, but organizations like the Browns and Raiders have nothing to go by because they may have fired a good coach or two because they don't have the patience for a little longevity.

[Mr. Scot]

I do remember the Browns firing this one guy...

I think he did okay for himself afterwards.

[Montsta]

Teams are so impatient. Can you imagine where we would be had we fired Rivera after going 7-9 his second year?

Good teams give guys time. But it shows how fickle the NFL when even Coughlin feels the pressure after providing two titles. 

[KB_fan]

2 hours ago, frash.exe said:

because there are a finite amount of wins to go around in the regular season, success in the NFL is directly relative. There are 128 wins to go around and we got 15 of them this year, more than 10%. Luck plays a part but luck only goes so far. 15 wins is a testament to how good a team the Panthers have become.

 

I think there are 256 wins per season?  Or are you only talking by Conference?

16 games X 16 wins = 256 games & wins

[MVPccaffrey]

11 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I think there are 256 wins per season?  Or are you only talking by Conference?

16 games X 16 wins = 256 games & wins

this is right.  If every team in the league went 8-8, that's 256 total wins.  Zero sum game of course.

[hepcat]

A lot of those teams should have shown some patience.  Sometimes it's obvious a guy needs to go.  Like in Atlanta last year, Mike Smith had just clearly lost the team and they weren't playing hard for him anymore.  It was time for some new energy, and I think the Falcons are going to be the Panthers biggest competition next year.

But then you have Tampa Bay who just fired the coach that had them improve 4 games with a rookie QB.  A young team still figuring out their identity and building a culture and they just fire the guy.  That is what turns you into the Browns.  You have to let a guy establish himself.  The only reason I can think they fired Lovie is that their offensive coordinator Koetter was about to get a head coaching gig somewhere else, and the only way to keep him with Jameis was to make him head coach. If that's the reason, I can kind of understand it, but it still sucks.

[frash.exe]

2 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I think there are 256 wins per season?  Or are you only talking by Conference?

16 games X 16 wins = 256 games & wins

oops

yes it is 256 games. 256 games in a season, 256 wins to go around.

[frash.exe]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I do remember the Browns firing this one guy...

I think he did okay for himself afterwards.

idk if i would count them firing Belichick because that team eventually became the Ravens, and the Browns that we know today was basically established as an expansion team starting from scratch in 1999. All they have is the intellectual property.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, frash.exe said:

idk if i would count them firing Belichick because that team eventually became the Ravens, and the Browns that we know today was basically established as an expansion team starting from scratch in 1999. All they have is the intellectual property.

They inherited the penchant for failure.

[ncsu12engr]

There are only 7 head coaches in the NFL that have been with their team longer than Rivera has been with Panthers. Interestingly, 3 of those are in the AFC North. 

Full List: Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Pete Carrol, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and Marvin Lewis.